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Post by gabby on Aug 22, 2016 12:59:43 GMT -8
Props to Zeke! He showed up around 4:30 this afternoon and immediately went to work. I can't tell you how much I appreciate his being here to help. Tomorrow he's off to help Bateaux, one of our own, as he recovers from this historic flood. A person could work 24 hours each day, if he didn't have to sleep. The amount of work to be done is enormous. I have been avoiding posting anything about this for a day or two, primarily because I was rendered essentially speechless. I still have little I can add, except that I am in awe.
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Post by autumnmist on Aug 22, 2016 15:21:19 GMT -8
Zeke would be a good candidate for a clone. I'm guessing a lot of people would love to have help from someone so generous.
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Post by cajun on Aug 22, 2016 19:42:36 GMT -8
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Post by Deborah on Aug 22, 2016 19:50:34 GMT -8
Here's an interesting picture, Interesting for sure. But, some simply will not allow facts to get in the way of their opinions.
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Post by BlueBear on Aug 23, 2016 8:57:29 GMT -8
In other news, there's a storm brewing in the South Atlantic (edge of the Caribbean) that's projected to reach at least Tropical Storm status, and current projections have it potentially heading straight for the SE Florida coast in the next week. Sea Surface Temperatures (SSTs) are somewhat high in that part of the world ( www.aoml.noaa.gov/phod/cyclone/data/ca.html), so it has a potential (i.e. a chance) to strengthen significantly. Obviously projections can be wrong (the rains that hit LA were originally aimed at the FL panhandle, this one only so far has about a 50/50 change of following the shaded path), but it's good to keep an eye on it. FYI, for those living thereabouts. - Mike
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Post by autumnmist on Aug 23, 2016 9:01:45 GMT -8
cajun, just got a "down for maintenance" notice when I clicked on the link. Hopefully that will be corrected soon. In the meantime, how are your family (?) and friends coping? Is the flooding in the area still at high levels or is it receding?
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Post by High Sierra Fan on Aug 23, 2016 23:41:01 GMT -8
Here's an interesting picture, Interesting for sure. But, some simply will not allow facts to get in the way of their opinions. If I'm reading that right the Sonora Desert in southern Arizona is a really big flood zone. Just about as big as the Southern California high desert. Their definition of "flood" must be fascinating.... Desert geology leading to more rapid runoff? Maybe somewhere in NOAA's pages there's a better map? www.nws.noaa.gov/hic/nho/
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Post by cajun on Aug 24, 2016 3:57:39 GMT -8
cajun, just got a "down for maintenance" notice when I clicked on the link. Hopefully that will be corrected soon. In the meantime, how are your family (?) and friends coping? Is the flooding in the area still at high levels or is it receding? My family is fine, but a lot of friends and coworkers are ripping apart their houses this week, and I'm not sure how they all are emotionally. It's heartbreaking. Thank you for asking.
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Post by cajun on Aug 24, 2016 3:59:22 GMT -8
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Post by rebeccad on Aug 24, 2016 9:26:15 GMT -8
If I'm reading that right the Sonora Desert in southern Arizona is a really big flood zone. Just about as big as the Southern California high desert. Their definition of "flood" must be fascinating.... Desert geology leading to more rapid runoff? I saw that and had to figure that they include flash floods. The trouble is, a flash flood down a single drainage can't really be compared to the kind of flood you get in Cajun's neck of the woods. They can be deadly, of course, and do some damage when the creeks that are flashing run through populated areas or cross roads (remember I15 got closed a year or two back due to flash floods damaging a couple of bridges). But you won't get dozens of square miles under water.
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Post by cajun on Aug 24, 2016 10:46:38 GMT -8
But we don't *normally* flood. We don't typically have dozens of square miles underwater. Thats what people in other areas can't seem to understand. Living near wetlands does not equate to living in a flood zone. Many and most of the places that flooded in this storm have *never* flooded.
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Post by cajun on Aug 24, 2016 11:15:19 GMT -8
But you won't get dozens of square miles under water. I would suggest that if any place had a storm that covered more than 11,000 square miles, and dumped 20"-30" of rain over the course of a day or two throughout that entire 11,000 square miles, then any area would have devastating and widespread flooding. **The storm was bigger than that. I am only counting the parishes in Louisiana that flooded (which excluded mine, even though we too got over 20" of rain).
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Post by Lamebeaver on Aug 24, 2016 11:20:07 GMT -8
That's more rain than we receive in a year.
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Post by rebeccad on Aug 24, 2016 12:02:51 GMT -8
That's more rain than we receive in a year. Which is part of the point. Cajun, I wasn't trying to say that your floods are "normal" for your area. But it's kind of the same thing as saying that "Arizona" is a high-flood-danger area. Well, not really. Certain washes will flood on a regular basis (every time it rains), but most places will never get a flood. We know from Boulder a couple of years ago what happens when mountain areas get an inordinate amount of rain in a short time. Standing water may well be preferable to moving water (though I recall reading--on your FB page? a report that the water was actually moving pretty fast at least in places--a reminder that you don't need much slope to make water run downhill). Many and most of the places that flooded in this storm have *never* flooded. This of course is what's most worrisome. Because odds are they *will* flood again.
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Post by BigLoad on Aug 24, 2016 12:27:12 GMT -8
Oh, definitely. Apart from a forested swath in the Mogollon highlands, the ground in AZ has almost no buffering capacity. If it rains, it floods. Less than half an inch of rain causes flash flooding in the Phoenix area. Even non-urban areas like Page experience highly damaging floods almost every year, usually caused by just a few inches of rain.
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