panatomicx
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Post by panatomicx on Sept 6, 2021 14:11:32 GMT -8
You would think.
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Post by franco on Sept 6, 2021 14:33:48 GMT -8
Not sure but I think that a direct strike can leave burn marks but the ground current type (more likely if more than one person is struck) probably does not.
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ErnieW
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Post by ErnieW on Sept 6, 2021 18:37:45 GMT -8
If the current flows through your heart it can stop it and would leave no external marks. To get all of them would be very odd though.
Right now I am leaning toward something like UFO's. They were abducted and dead clones were left in their place.
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Post by walkswithblackflies on Sept 7, 2021 5:21:16 GMT -8
323 killed by a single lightning strike (2016)...
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ErnieW
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Post by ErnieW on Sept 7, 2021 6:07:19 GMT -8
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Post by ErnieW on Oct 1, 2021 18:40:56 GMT -8
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Post by ErnieW on Oct 2, 2021 5:05:04 GMT -8
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Post by zeke on Oct 2, 2021 5:27:13 GMT -8
Having been among a party of hikers where one person died of heat stroke, I'm going to guess it wasn't heat stroke that killed all of that family, plus their dog. I'd find it highly unlikely that all 4 would suffer the same effects of the heat, at the same place and time. One or two of them? OK, but not all 4. Of course, this is just armchair speculation.
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Post by ErnieW on Oct 2, 2021 6:26:38 GMT -8
In another article about the algae it said the toxins are neurotoxins that they would kill you then breakdown so they likely would be undetectable by the time they autopsied the bodies. So my armchair speculation is that in that heat they had a big fat toxic water break and that was what got them.
I try only take water from sources where there is something alive in there (not counting algae growing). Seeing a healthy frog jump into the water is always a good sign for me.
Also I grew up on Long Island sound and occasionally there would be a confluence of factors including a red tide (algae bloom) and it would kill massive schools of menhaden (bunker - herring-like). Whole harbors covered in dead floating fish. The smell as they rotted was terrible. The red tides are also slightly toxic to humans, some people get a rash, so beaches would close their waters even without the dead fish when there were red tides.
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Post by BigLoad on Oct 2, 2021 9:38:14 GMT -8
Having been among a party of hikers where one person died of heat stroke, I'm going to guess it wasn't heat stroke that killed all of that family, plus their dog. I'd find it highly unlikely that all 4 would suffer the same effects of the heat, at the same place and time. One or two of them? OK, but not all 4. Of course, this is just armchair speculation. Yeah, all four at the same place and time is highly implausible. And if it were the same place, but not the same time, I think the scene would have been different.
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Post by geosp on Oct 3, 2021 23:43:30 GMT -8
All very unusual. Toxic algae seems to be one of the suspects but I would have thought that poisoning that was severe enough to kill all three and their dog in one go would leave some externally visible trace. Either vomit, diarrhea, mouth blistering or rash being evident. Apparently symptoms from drinking water with cyanobacterial toxins include: headaches, nausea, fever, sore throat, dizziness, stomach cramps, diarrhea, abdominal pain, vomiting, muscle aches, mouth ulcers and blistering of the lips.
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Post by walkswithblackflies on Oct 4, 2021 5:35:31 GMT -8
I find the algae theory hard to swallow (pun intended). IIRC, they were carrying water. So why would they stop to drink algae water, and give it to a baby, when they had perfectly fine water? Plus if they did drink it, although the toxin may have broken down, the coroner would have found algae in their stomachs. And if they decided to go for a swim, why wouldn't they have found algae on their skin and/or clothes?
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Post by Lamebeaver on Oct 4, 2021 5:38:11 GMT -8
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Post by ErnieW on Oct 4, 2021 5:44:08 GMT -8
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Post by balzaccom on Oct 4, 2021 8:37:35 GMT -8
Having been among a party of hikers where one person died of heat stroke, I'm going to guess it wasn't heat stroke that killed all of that family, plus their dog. I'd find it highly unlikely that all 4 would suffer the same effects of the heat, at the same place and time. One or two of them? OK, but not all 4. Of course, this is just armchair speculation. Turns out they hiked a ten mile loop on that day--which would take them at least five hours with no stops, carrying a baby. They probably stopped to rest a few times, certainly down by the river. And they died around mile 9 on a steep uphill climb on a very exposed slope when the temperature what well over 100 degrees F. And they had one Camelback of water between the four of them. It wasn't all four who died at once, of course. The dog would hang around out of loyalty. The baby can't move on its own. So either mom or dad suffers heat stroke. Maybe collapses. Then what? Do you hike out on your own, leaving your spouse, but taking the baby? That's going to add twenty or thirty pounds to your pack. Or do you stay with them to try and help them recover? And if you stay, you are simply getting hotter and drier with every minute you stay there. Or do you realize you are completely dehydrated on the hike, and drink the water from the river? In either case, it's not going to end well.
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