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Post by swmtnbackpacker on Apr 2, 2020 6:48:30 GMT -8
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Post by High Sierra Fan on Apr 2, 2020 13:56:48 GMT -8
Logical. As it’s a human transmitted disease. Fewer or no visitors and the odds of an infected person transmitting the disease to a resident goes down.
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Post by swmtnbackpacker on Apr 4, 2020 4:21:54 GMT -8
While some bad urban to rural stories make news (stories of slashed tires and barricades), one author claims much is really just an acceleration of those jobs that can be done as “work from home” (many jobs can’t btw). Also there’s migrations of college and unemployed young people going back to empty nest homes and middle age adults showing up at the parents retirement community. www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/the-great-american-migration-of-2020-on-the-move-to-escape-the-coronavirus/ar-BB11QAmaThere is still a bunch that science needs to confirm about COVID 19 up to a vaccine, and I think our political-economic response will be based off that in the long term. There’ll be short term hiccups though..
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Post by swmtnbackpacker on Apr 10, 2020 6:05:15 GMT -8
Besides small tourist towns, among the first hit, another one to watch are small towns in Texas. The initial maps showed high concentrations in the major cities (DFW and Houston areas), but a UT study suggests COVID has been spreading in rural farming-ranching communities. One statistic we often do not get is the per capita COVID caseload, as the researchers interviewed for the article also suggests (I’d argue hospitalizations/evacuations is important here): www.texasmonthly.com/news/coronavirus-spread-rural-counties-university-texas-researchers/
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Post by msdoolittle on Apr 11, 2020 15:14:12 GMT -8
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Post by zeke on Apr 11, 2020 15:59:22 GMT -8
I'd say, those Texans could be met by CHP at the border, had their information taken, their license plates recorded, and told they need to quarantine for 14 days before going out, even for groceries. I figure the vast majority would turn right around. Maybe ankle bracelets for any that decide to continue on.
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Post by hikerjer on Apr 11, 2020 17:23:45 GMT -8
While I don't inherently have anything against folks in small towns, I get a little offended by their attitudes about perceived low life big city folks invading their communities. I guess I can understand that they are naturally fearful of the virus spreading to their communities but it's already there often brought in by their own resident returning from the city for whatever reason. So, while they often make it plain that us urban dwellers are suspect and aren't really welcome there, they won't hesitate to flock to hospitals and clinics in the city when they're struck with the virus. Sort of a double standard, IMO.
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Post by echo on Apr 11, 2020 19:39:24 GMT -8
I see the idea of double standard that you are talking about, hikerjer and it’s real, but living in one of those small towns, that has shut down local parks, trail head parking and motels, and had only two positive covid tests so far, but has really limited medical services, and I’ve had several friends and coworkers be denied service for pretty big things. One called the ambulance because her 49 year old sister was in distress, the paramedic made the decision, “she is either having a stroke or a heart attack but it’s more dangerous to take her to the ER at this time than to leave her here with you.” If you come here and get as sick, as quickly as a lot of Covid-19 patients seem to, then your chances will be far better if you can get airlifted to Medford or Redding
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Post by rebeccad on Apr 11, 2020 20:38:58 GMT -8
I think Echo has hit the really key point: those small communities just can't cope with extra people in a pandemic. They don't have the services, and they especially don't have the medical services. And while yes, the virus will get there, even if not "outsiders" come in, it's almost sure to come faster and to more people if you have a lot of folks from a lot of different places coming.
OTOH: I have a friend who is very immuno-compromised (she's on anti-rejection meds and has recently developed Lupus). They fled the Bay Area early for their second home in South Lake Tahoe, on the grounds that it was a lot easier to isolate there, and to safely get outside to avoid insanity. It does raise other worries, of course: if they do get sick, they won't have as good resources. But I have to respect their decision and they made the choice very early on, before things were so bad. Having made that choice, they have stayed put.
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Post by absarokanaut on Apr 12, 2020 8:47:25 GMT -8
I agree with Echo as the experts do. We can't flatten let alone hammer the curve if we indulge the self absorbed. We haven't even peaked yet, and that will come later in mountain towns. People need to stay HOME and realize this pandemic is not their vacation. Call that what you will Jer, I'll respectfully suggest its an adamant "request" for the more self absorbed to exercise some basic human decency at a time it is needed as much as ever.
The necessary nastiness aside when we can responsibly travel we of course want people to come back and spend as much money as they can. Until then we will "suffer" right along with them.
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Post by swmtnbackpacker on Apr 12, 2020 9:02:22 GMT -8
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Post by reuben on Apr 12, 2020 9:17:25 GMT -8
To echo what echo and others have said, I understand owning multiple properties, and paying taxes on them. But choosing which one to go to during a pandemic (safety, isolation) and which one to go to if you get infected (services, medical facilities) is the height of a first world problem. And insensitivity. On the other hand, having seen many empty shelves and reading of many fights over toilet paper, the insensitivity doesn't surprise me, regardless of income level. People panic. Everyone from anarchists to socialists fume and rage. Little tiny bits of civilization and civility start to break down.
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Post by rebeccad on Apr 12, 2020 12:30:22 GMT -8
Little tiny bits of civilization and civility start to break down. My only consolation is that in other places and cases, people demonstrate great humanity, restoring some hope for the human race. A neighbor telling us they are donating their stimulus check to the food bank, for example. Ours will probably go likewise, unless we send it to a friend who is furloughed and is the sole support of 3 young adults and a 2-year-old (I will note that the kids all had jobs, and are likewise furloughed without pay).
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Post by reuben on Apr 12, 2020 12:50:38 GMT -8
Small country fears.
In Congo, many spent Easter Sunday at home, listening to church services on the radio rather than in person as they stayed inside during the coronavirus pandemic. Making the holiday more distressing, the central African country may be seeing a resurgence of another outbreak: Ebola. Congo announced a second Ebola death on Sunday, after one was announced Friday, just days before the World Health Organization was set to declare an end to the outbreak in the country’s east that has killed more than 2,200 people since 2018. The news is a blow to a country already strapped for resources and health-care workers as it battles more than 200 confirmed cases of covid-19. www.washingtonpost.com/world/2020/04/12/coronavirus-latest-news/#link-SXYGXUGD3BH3HGO5QDV33GHSXM
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Post by autumnmist on Apr 12, 2020 14:44:26 GMT -8
Little tiny bits of civilization and civility start to break down. And unfortunately we're seeing that already, as well as what I'd consider drastic attempts by governors to try to stave off individual incidents by enacting measures that apply to many. in other places and cases, people demonstrate great humanity, restoring some hope for the human race. And as an offset to the breakdown, we see exemplary and extraordinary actions to support others, like the singing Italians, the public demonstrations for first responders, and more. There is still good in the human race.
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