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Post by absarokanaut on Mar 18, 2020 9:28:06 GMT -8
I have mostly responsible friends, but I've received more than a dozen inquiries about the "situation" here. I don't lecture them but say they are most likely gonna close public lands to keep people from travelling from one infection pool to another. I have no idea if they will shut down outdoor access, but I am trying to imply they should stay home.
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Post by sarbar on Mar 18, 2020 9:34:20 GMT -8
Last weekend our island was packed....with bored people who live in Seattle, who came up to the island to have a vacation, since they can't go anywhere else. Good for business, shitty for spreading disease. With the new rules though the wineries and distilleries are closed, except for direct sale. That means this weekend they won't come thankfully.
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Post by jazzmom on Mar 18, 2020 9:53:32 GMT -8
I'm hearing/reading about "jam packed" trailheads in various places. UGH.
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Post by sarbar on Mar 18, 2020 14:48:39 GMT -8
exasperated that he couldn't find "his" eggs anywhere, a local organic brand that he always gets. I have gone offline and am doing bartering. Today I bartered 4 dozen fresh, unwashed eggs for 3 2nd year strawberry plants that were chilling on our farm. I left plants by their egg cooler and took my eggs. Later today I saw my egg person was planting her new plants. Works for me. Organic free range eggs are $6 a dozen here!
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Post by High Sierra Fan on Mar 18, 2020 14:54:56 GMT -8
My county just published a link where people can locate local producers offering direct sales. Pointing out that with their restaurant customers closed their chickens (for example) still keep producing eggs.... /?d=n
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Post by swmtnbackpacker on Mar 21, 2020 17:56:17 GMT -8
www.cnn.com/2020/03/20/business/panic-buying-how-stores-restock-coronavirus/index.htmlThe grocery systems are rebounding, but unfortunately some of that are goods redirected from shuttering restaurants. Truck traffic out west is the highest it’s been, but many worked restaurant tables, events, direct sales/retail, etc.. are now out of work. In terms of the virus itself, this thing transmits so stealthily, most everyone will probably get it until a vaccine is distributed. We don’t have the technology to keep from getting it from the cashier, delivery person, etc.. What’s needed now is for people not to jam the medical system which is why the authorities want “social distancing” (physical distancing) and better hygiene (which should have been the case all along).
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Post by High Sierra Fan on Mar 21, 2020 18:36:12 GMT -8
^Yep^, flattening the curve is in part to avoid overloading the hospitals to the point they have to turn away people sick with COVID-19. The numbers from China are informative. The overall case fatality rate is similar to S. Korea at 0.7%, but within Wuhan where it first started and hospitals were overwhelmed it's reportedly 5.7%.
The seriously ill do not do well without hospital support and there just are a finite number of medical services, trained personnel etc.
This will be especially critical as various therapies start to come online, things that no doubt will require a hospital setting to administer (at least one of the potential antivirals is delivered by IV) and perhaps support (ventilator).
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Post by hikerchick395 on Mar 22, 2020 7:35:28 GMT -8
covid-19 confirmed in the Eastern Sierra
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Post by sarbar on Mar 22, 2020 8:44:11 GMT -8
Huh, our frikking island was covered with idiots second weekend in a row. All it took was a sunny, blue skied 55* day. Glad my oldest doesn't work on weekends at his grocery store. It was even worse on the Olympic Pennisula where tourists came out to camp and tore through the very small local stores.
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Post by autumnmist on Mar 22, 2020 9:16:45 GMT -8
What’s needed now is for people not to jam the medical system I would add that what's also desperately needed are masks and gowns for the front line testing, and harder to enforce, people just wanting to be tested w/o having symptoms. My niece said they ran out of N95 masks as well as gowns yesterday. It can't be expected by anyone that medical personnel are required to sacrifice their own health to help those who are over reacting, or those who just won't comply. And that includes spring break kids and others who refuse to acknowledge and respect distancing requirements. This is when I think a few threats by law enforcement to confine, or monetarily fine them might get through to their unwillingness to cooperate. Their fines could help provide supplies for the medical system, which from what I've read, is also financially challenged to keep up with those supply demands. My anger rises every time I see photos of dozens of people frolicking on the beach or mulling together in parks, especially while others, especially elders depending on others or commercial services for transportation, are staying at home, trying to figure out ways to cope and get the supplies they need.
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Post by hikerjer on Mar 22, 2020 9:46:47 GMT -8
My wife, dog and myself took a walk yesterday . We practiced social distancing the entire time and actually went out of our way to avoid people at any close proximity. It was the first really nice day and a Saturday to boot. I was appalled when we passed through a neighborhood park and the playground was absolutely packed with parents and children. It was like there was nothing unusual going on in the country at all. Kids climbing all over, running around and roughhousing as kids will do. Parents standing and talking and hugging each other completely oblivious to their kid’s actions. Absolutely irresponsible IMO. I’ve never been one for a heavy handed law enforcement approach, but this dangerous nonsense has to stop. If it takes some relatively draconian law enforcement to make it happen, then maybe we’re to that point.
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Post by autumnmist on Mar 22, 2020 10:19:21 GMT -8
hikerjer , I think we are at that point. Sadly. I really can't understand why it's so difficult to accept that we're in crisis mode.
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Post by hikerjer on Mar 22, 2020 10:36:39 GMT -8
autumnist: A man believes want he wants to believe and disregards the rest” - Paul Simon - The Boxer.
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Post by davesenesac on Mar 22, 2020 10:56:11 GMT -8
hikerjer , I think we are at that point. Sadly. I really can't understand why it's so difficult to accept that we're in crisis mode.
Well it basically reflects our society and culture. It is because a significant percentage of our USA population is like Homer Simpson, not only on the low end of the intelligence Bell Curve, but also ignorant by choice, lacking common sense, easily swayed by manipulative media with agendas, head in a hole in the sand while spending most of their time watching inane media, and apt to act from herd behaviors of those around them.
Consider what happens at festivals and events when driving about looking for a street side parking spot. They see a car illegally parked along a street with obvious NO PARKING signs, and park there too. And the more cars so illegally parked, the more these herd behavior minds rationalize stupid instead of common sense. And then a tv news reporter walking down said street shows all the parking tickets on windshields. Or recently consider some of the non-sense panic buying. How does one communicate and instill common sense into such people?
There was a local tv show here in the SFBA "People Behaving Badly" on KRON with Stanley Roberts who went around catching people being stupid and then interviewing them right there. He sometimes did so by riding shotgun in various city police cars as they confronted people for whatever. The funniest parts were the stupid embarrassed faces of those caught and their moronic responses like kids caught with hands in the cookie jar
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Post by swmtnbackpacker on Mar 22, 2020 17:05:45 GMT -8
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