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Post by johnnyray on Sept 7, 2015 7:28:41 GMT -8
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Post by Deleted on Sept 7, 2015 9:47:55 GMT -8
That's a potent article. Some excerpts: [/span]. . . . The Alamosa River has variously been described as moribund or permanently dead. Estimates have ranged from decades to a century before the river will return to a semblance of its natural state. As often occurs with mines gone bad, abandonment of the Summitville Mine left taxpayers footing the bill for cleanup after the mining company repeatedly failed to contain cyanide leaks, control acidic rock discharges and properly treat effluent wastes.[/ul] No matter how many federal, state, or local laws are on the books, without strict enforcement, mining will continue to wreak havoc upon the environment and quite often on federal land and in public watersheds. But strict enforcement requires funding. As a result, in tough economic times, enforcement is either relaxed or defunded — thus making an outright mockery of modern claims that we live in an era of conservation. This country is nowhere close to recovering from the havoc previous generations have perpetrated against our own homeland — because we are too busy perpetuating the same sort of havoc by more subtle means. Corporate and many private interests are too focused on short-term profiteering to give a hoot about the long-term damage — which will far outweigh the profit derived. Any conscientious definition of obscenity could include the rapacious appetite of mining.
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Post by johnnyray on Sept 7, 2015 12:54:40 GMT -8
Corporate and many private interests are too focused on short-term profiteering to give a hoot about the long-term damage — which will far outweigh the profit derived. Any conscientious definition of obscenity could include the rapacious appetite of mining. Seems to be the case across the extractive industries, look at the tar sand mining in Alberta, coal strip mines in the Powder River Basin, mountain top removal in Appalachia. Take the money and run, privatize the profits, socialize the liabilities.
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Post by ecocentric on Sept 8, 2015 17:17:12 GMT -8
I talked with our State Geologist yesterday about this subject. The acid runoff from coal mines is an under reported problem throughout the coal belt. The big spills get a lot of attention when a dam or bulkhead bursts, but the daily trickle leaking from thousands of mines is responsible for far more toxic pollution than most people realize.
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Post by walkswithblackflies on Sept 9, 2015 5:25:45 GMT -8
No matter how many federal, state, or local laws are on the books, without strict enforcement, mining will continue to wreak havoc upon the environment and quite often on federal land and in public watersheds. But strict enforcement requires funding No, strict enforcement only requires prioritization, will, and follow-through. We have EPA/OSHA/DOL inspectors in our region spending way too much time trying to screw asbestos abatement contractors over administrative issues or interpretations of regulatory gray areas. Then when they find some horribly egregious violation, they let the offenders get off with a slap on the wrist and fines that don't even amount to the cost of abatement-by-the-rules.
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Post by ecocentric on Sept 9, 2015 7:44:12 GMT -8
It is too bad that prevention hasn't had a higher priority all along. Abatement can be complex and expensive. State legislatures deserve a lot of blame. They are rank amateurs at science and technology, that are easily swayed by promises for economic opportunity. Due diligence in considering all factors and ramifications of their bills is not the norm.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 9, 2015 16:23:55 GMT -8
No matter how many federal, state, or local laws are on the books, without strict enforcement, mining will continue to wreak havoc upon the environment and quite often on federal land and in public watersheds. But strict enforcement requires funding No, strict enforcement only requires prioritization, will, and follow-through.... I don't doubt your word about circumstances thousands of miles from Colorado. But you quoted part of my comment about Colorado in a thread about Colorado. The big problem with the area I've referred to is not a lack of EPA priorities. It is a cumulative lack of the right priorities for a century by mining companies, by local citizens, and by their local, state, and federal representatives. Enforcement of regulations does require funding. And priorities require funding. Nowhere is that more clear than in the topic of this thread. It is not the regulatory agency, the EPA, that has had the wrong priority here. Superfund cleanup by its very name implies funding. It can not be done without it. People do not work for free — whether among the mining companies, concerned citizens, local and state officials, or the EPA. Who has long had the wrong priorities here? It is the mining companies that for decades have had the wrong priorities — because the right priorities would require funding out of their profit margins. And it is also the local tourist industry that has had the wrong priorities. It has opposed the superfund priority designation that cleanup would require — because local business does not want the adverse publicity that goes with funding the cleanup. You can't blame all that on the EPA and something you've witnessed two thousand miles from Colorado — no matter how accurate your description above.
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Post by BigLoad on Sept 9, 2015 16:59:44 GMT -8
And it's not just the mining companies, it's also often the local governments hungry for jobs and tax dollars that are willing to tolerate such damage to get them.
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Post by johnnyray on Sept 9, 2015 17:23:56 GMT -8
"House science committee grills EPA over Gold King Mine spill" dpo.st/1VOEEBC Looks more like partisan bickering than anything constructive.
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Post by johnnyray on Nov 24, 2015 17:39:22 GMT -8
Latest: "Silverton, county unanimously vote to begin Superfund negotiations" dpo.st/1TdDw90
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Post by Deleted on Nov 24, 2015 18:22:53 GMT -8
Better late than never, I guess. Thanks for the link. Excerpts from the article: My dad and brother and their wives were down in that area for several days a couple weeks after the spill. And while their vacations were not focused on that incident, they did comment upon the yellow residue in many places along the river. They took a ride on the narrow-gauge railroad and drove the "million-dollar highway" north of Durango. Both are remarkable for following long drop-offs along canyon walls. The lack of guardrails along the highway made my dad uncomfortable. Tourism seemed neither robust nor entirely lacking when they were there. But it sounds like, from the article, that it was pressure from downstream users of the river that has finally persuaded city and country officials to accept the superfund designation. Let's hope the cleanup succeeds.
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Post by johnnyray on Dec 9, 2015 17:19:46 GMT -8
Thought I'd post this here. EPA: "Nowhere near" needed funds to clean up Colorado's toxic mines dpo.st/1XXvJCm
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Post by johnnyray on Aug 1, 2016 16:15:37 GMT -8
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Post by Deleted on Aug 1, 2016 19:08:51 GMT -8
There is something hypocritical about senators who vote to deny funding to the EPA but also vote to protect mineral-extraction industries. This is one mine of hundreds where mineral-extraction industries reaped huge financial benefits and then walked away to leave the cleanup to taxpayers and the EPA.
Sure, investigate to get to the bottom of this accident, what went wrong, and how to do better cleanups in the future. But lets not forget who created the mess to begin with — the same sort of mineral-extraction industries that a certain constituency of senators continues to protect and shield from accountability.
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