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Post by swmtnbackpacker on Mar 31, 2016 14:54:06 GMT -8
Feral hogs (some up to 500 lbs) are spreading despite liberal hunting policies ...i.e. most states consider them vermin and allow them to be shot on sight without a license. Still swine reproduce fast and, personally, deer hunters I know in TX say a patchwork of private lands doesn't help because there's always a landowner who doesn't know they have a nest of the things. Naturally it became worse as Russian boars were introduced for sport hunting, and now are mixing with other species: www.foxnews.com/us/2016/03/31/deer-hunters-face-unwanted-competition-as-feral-hog-explosion-thins-herds.html#lf_comment=486027420I'm gonna need a bigger tent..
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Post by swmtnbackpacker on Mar 31, 2016 15:03:17 GMT -8
Most feral hogs are kinda hard to find, Ben, and the meat isn't uniform tasting I hear (may not be a bad thing) ...though if China is paying... Swmtn mystery meats? (Company motto - "tastes like chicken ... trust us")
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Post by Deleted on Mar 31, 2016 16:32:17 GMT -8
Bear with my reference to the Bible* here for a moment, but the best thing that ever happened to a herd of pigs was when Jesus cast out a group of demons called "Legion." The demons were permitted to enter a herd of 2,000 swine, which promptly ran off a cliff and drowned in the sea. It's too bad their relatives in America did not follow suit.
Unfortunately, neither the explorers of Christendom nor Western settlers got the message. Instead, as early as Columbus, the human taste buds overwhelmed our better senses. And our predecessors brought the invasive species to the New World. Here settler farmers raised them, overland pioneers trailed them West, hunters set them lose for "wild game" hunting, and only recently have we realized how "demonic" their spread has been toward civilization, agriculture, and the ecology of wild areas.
Feral pigs and hogs are an invasive, un-natural disaster everywhere they spread. They have been bred to reproduce so rapidly that even if we exported millions of them every year, they could replace their own numbers by the following year or two. Probably no wild predator in North America causes such expensive and widespread depredation as the destruction from omnivorous wild hogs. If only we could be so lucky as to have them all rush off a cliff and drown, we'd be far better off for the miracle. ______________ *Matthew 8:28-9:1a, Mark 5:1-20, Luke 8:26-39
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Post by reuben on Mar 31, 2016 16:38:01 GMT -8
Feral pigs and hogs are an invasive, un-natural disaster everywhere they spread. What? Unlike feral rabbits, bears, squirrels, marmots, groundhogs, hawks, eagles, frogs... ?? Note that pigs which have been bred to reproduce are not feral.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 31, 2016 16:54:26 GMT -8
Feral pigs and hogs are an invasive, un-natural disaster everywhere they spread. What? Unlike feral rabbits, bears, squirrels, marmots, groundhogs, hawks, eagles, frogs... ?? Yes, unlike them. What you name are native, non-domesticated species that have proliferated due to human changes to the habitat in which they proliferate. That is much different than non-native species, which were entirely introduced to America through domestication and then spread rapidly to areas, some of which involved much less human change to the habitat. Note that pigs which have been bred to reproduce are not feral. No, that's not right. "Feral" animals include both domesticated animals released to the wild and their descendants. And, unlike your previous examples, there is no native species of hog. All are non-native and thus invasive. The human-selective breeding that produced swine which reproduce rapidly has not been naturally-selected out of the domesticated, but feral breed. So feral hogs include hogs released from domestication and their descendants, as I indicated previously. And as many sources can demonstrate, those feral hogs can have two litters annually of up to 6 to 8 in number each litter. That ability to proliferate so rapidly was in fact produced by human-selective breeding of the species.
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Post by reuben on Mar 31, 2016 16:59:09 GMT -8
If they've been domesticated, they're not feral.
(Oh Gawd, now I'm going to get a 47 page rebuttal with circles and arrows on the back depicting how each one is to be used against me - in various colors, fonts, font sizes, italics, quotes from decades old and far fetched sources, etc.)
Hee hee!!! Wacka wacka!! :D
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Post by Deleted on Mar 31, 2016 17:07:06 GMT -8
If they've been domesticated, they're not feral. . . . No, you're wrong. Look up the definition of "feral." Feral animals include both 2a) any wild descendants of formerly domesticated breeds, and 2b) any domesticated animals released or escaping to become wild. From Websters:
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Post by reuben on Mar 31, 2016 17:17:58 GMT -8
Skipping definition #1? How selective.
1: of, relating to, or suggestive of a wild beast
Note that various forms of domestication are not included.
It's OK. We can both be right, given the various possible definitions.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 31, 2016 17:21:52 GMT -8
Skipping definition #1? How selective. 1: of, relating to, or suggestive of a wild beast Note that various forms of domestication are not included. It's OK. We can both be right, given the various possible definitions. Now you're being silly, Reuben. The controversy was not about #1. It was about your mis-defining of "feral" to exclude half of number #2. You said, "If they've been domesticated, they're not feral. . . ." You're wrong.
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Post by crawford on Mar 31, 2016 17:29:22 GMT -8
I love the taste of wild hog, but we've just seen some more evidence of them in Pennsylvania. Apparently a group of about 12 were seen and photographed in the area of Loch Haven, PA. It isn't good news for our forests or farm land. I'm an avid hunter and believe hunting can serve a real purpose in overall wildlife management plans, but that might not hold true for hogs. They trive everywhere and they breed like crazy.
Definitely a problem.
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Post by llamero on Mar 31, 2016 17:36:04 GMT -8
Better get some hog spray.
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Post by crawford on Mar 31, 2016 17:40:44 GMT -8
only if they make hog spray in BBQ flavor...nom, nom, nom
Ok, I apologize for joking, this is a serious issue.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 31, 2016 17:51:41 GMT -8
Nah, joking is fine. But just look at what bacon lovers have done to our world!
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Post by Lonewolf on Mar 31, 2016 17:55:01 GMT -8
Any domesticated animal or its descendants that are not under domestic control are considered feral. there is no native species of hog. "A peccary (also javelina or skunk pig) is a medium-sized hoofed mammal of the family Tayassuidae (New World pigs) in the suborder Suina along with the Old World pigs, Suidae. They are found throughout Central and South America and in the southwestern area of North America."
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Post by absarokanaut on Mar 31, 2016 18:09:39 GMT -8
"It's OK. We can both be right, given the various possible definitions."
Uhm. gotta agree with Travis on this. I've seen "feral" cats and a few dogs my whole life. A half dozen or so...never mind.
I'd consider carrying a shotgun in hog country. I've seen domesticated hogs inhale food, and we all know they will eat ANYTHING. UuuuuuhhhhUUuuuuuuuuuuuuuHHhhhhhhhhhhhh.
I heard this from a WVA friend: What's the difference between a hillbilly and an [posterior orifice]? The Ohio River.
Hogs scare me, period. Unless of course it's North Carolina Style with sauce thinner than water.
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