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Post by Deleted on Mar 31, 2016 18:24:22 GMT -8
Any domesticated animal or its descendants that are not under domestic control are considered feral. Yes, thank you. That is what I said. "A peccary (also javelina or skunk pig) is a medium-sized hoofed mammal of the family Tayassuidae (New World pigs) in the suborder Suina along with the Old World pigs, Suidae. They are found throughout Central and South America and in the southwestern area of North America." Yes, I'm aware of peccaries, but you didn't really go so far as to say that they are hogs, but merely related to hogs. The current taxonomy of the Integrated Taxonomic Information System accepted by the USDA, NPS, USGS, USF&WS, Smithsonian, NatureServe, and so on ( ITIS Partners) places peccaries and hogs in separate families under the Order Artiodactyla. So while families Suidae (hogs, pigs) and Tayassuidae, (peccaries) may be closely related, peccaries are not considered hogs, and hogs are not considered peccaries. Thus, as I said, there is no native "hog." I'd bet that you and Reuben are both ribbing me merely for the fact that I borrowed some imagery from the Bible. Geeze, guys, get over it. It's part of Western literature. Just because I refer to it maybe once every 10,000 posts isn't exactly over-bearing, is it? LOL. |
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Post by madre on Mar 31, 2016 18:50:01 GMT -8
It made me roll my eyes
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Post by walkswithblackflies on Apr 1, 2016 4:24:47 GMT -8
The interesting thing about domestic pigs, is that they'll physically revert back to their wild characteristics if released... basically they'll start growing hair and tusks. That's just friggin' weird.
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Post by FamilySherpa on Apr 1, 2016 4:25:32 GMT -8
We have an increasingly bad wild hog/boar problem in the southern Appalachian mountains.
I've come around a corner of a trail and seen groups of 20+ hogs together (albeit most were football sized babies).
They wreak havoc on the landscape.
Hunters do pursue them, but like others have said, the meat isn't very desirable, and hogs that can get far into the backcountry rarely get shot at because nobody wants to haul it out of there.
About the only thing good about them is that they seem to eradicate yellow jacket populations wherever they are foraging.
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Post by amaruq on Apr 1, 2016 17:35:19 GMT -8
What are the stats on feral hog attacks?
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Post by Lonewolf on Apr 1, 2016 19:09:50 GMT -8
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Post by johnb on Apr 1, 2016 19:20:19 GMT -8
They are absolutely running rampant in our local national park (Big Thicket National Preserve). I've also had a number of run-ins with them in military training in the southeastern United States (GA/FL primarily). While I normally wouldn't consider any creature a threat to civilization (barring ourselves, but that's a different discussion) the potential for them to eventually begin affecting food sources for humans will only increase.
*duh duh DUHHHHHH!* It's the Piggy Apocalypse!
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Post by Lonewolf on Apr 2, 2016 4:38:55 GMT -8
"Now entering Jurrasic Pork...." |
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Post by tipiwalter on Apr 2, 2016 5:03:30 GMT -8
Feral pigs and hogs are an invasive, un-natural disaster everywhere they spread. They have been bred to reproduce so rapidly that even if we exported millions of them every year, they could replace their own numbers by the following year or two. Probably no wild predator in North America causes such expensive and widespread depredation as the destruction from omnivorous wild hogs. If only we could be so lucky as to have them all rush off a cliff and drown, we'd be far better off for the miracle. ______________ What, have the feral pigs paved over farmland for walmart parking lots? Have they built the Eisenhower Interstate Highway system? Have they developed clearcut logging or WV mountaintop removal? Have they developed nuclear power plants or instituted the policy of Mutually Assured Destruction with nuclear weapons? I would change your quote to this: European humans are an invasive, un-natural disaster everywhere they spread. They have been bred to reproduce so rapidly that even if we exported millions of them every year, they could replace their own numbers by the following year or two. Probably no "unwild" predator in North America causes such expensive and widespread depredation as the destruction from omnivorous consuming-crazy nonindigenous, non-native North American humans. If only we could be so lucky as to have them all rush off a cliff and drown, we'd be far better off for the miracle. Amen. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 2, 2016 6:00:43 GMT -8
If only we could be so lucky as to have them all [humans] rush off a cliff and drown, we'd be far better off for the miracle.
Your statement says that you would be better off dead. There is no need to change what I wrote. I've written many times about the destruction that humans have caused. So instead of changing what I wrote about wild hogs, why didn't you just add your comments about humans — yourself included? Humans are the ones who originally caused the spread of the wild hogs. It's just one of many ways that humans have treated ecosystems recklessly. All you are doing is obscuring the problem by flying off on a wild tangent that you don't have the guts to follow through on. Like I said, lead the way off that cliff, if you're so sure you have the solution. |
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Post by crawford on Apr 2, 2016 7:14:38 GMT -8
tipiwalterSo, by your post, are humans beyond those of us who are of European extract better? Less destuctive? Less Invasive? While I understand your dislike for ecological damage, and I'm sure we hold some very similar views on the subject, I can't quite travel down that extreme path.
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Post by tipiwalter on Apr 2, 2016 8:41:36 GMT -8
If only we could be so lucky as to have them all rush off a cliff and drown, we'd be far better off for the miracle. ______________ Travis N Wood advocates the mass extinction of a species on the North American continent---feral pigs. He goes knee-jerk genocidal on our butts but has absolutely no mention of the 330 million Americans ravaging what's left of the landscape. Why is this?? Feral pigs all bad, humans unmentioned. Have pigs put mercury into my air and burn coal?? Before we slaughter the pigs we should take a close look at human impact on the land, habitat destruction, deforestation and all the rest. Then once we solve these problems, then we can talk about exterminating the pigs. But no, humans are precious, pigs are disposable. The solution is achieving a sustainable human population on the land by lowering the population thru lowered birthrates over time. Jumping off a cliff is reactive and weird but it makes for a good sound bite. Lowered birthrates, blocking immigration and a lowered US population is the key to the survival of the land, not the eradication of the pig population. The European "illegal immigrants" who washed up on the East coast shore started the massive development of this continent. Look what we've done, and with no end in sight. Pop. projected to be 450,000,000 by 2050. A human used to be able to walk from Florida to Washington state without crossing a road or a barbed wire fence. One of Ed Abbey's best quotes is--- “The most common form of terrorism in the U.S.A. is that carried on by bulldozers and chain saws.” No mention of feral pigs in this quote. And his quote brings to mind this wonderful pic---  |
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Post by reuben on Apr 2, 2016 9:09:32 GMT -8
What, have the feral pigs paved over farmland for walmart parking lots? Have they built the Eisenhower Interstate Highway system? Have they developed clearcut logging or WV mountaintop removal? Have they developed nuclear power plants or instituted the policy of Mutually Assured Destruction with nuclear weapons? Classic. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 2, 2016 9:11:35 GMT -8
TipiWalter wrote:Absolutely false. Walter says I do not mention humans, but in fact I blamed humans no less than eight times in my first post of the thread and repeated that blame throughout the thread. Examples where I blame humans include: Walter says that I go "knee-jerk genocidal" by favoring the extermination of feral hogs. But genocide by definition applies to the extermination of humans (by ethnicity) and not to invasive hogs. There is only one person in this thread who advocated genocide, and that was TipiWalter when he advocated the cliff-jumping deaths of all descendants of non-indigenous peoples. TipiWalter wrote:Invasive, non-native hogs and pigs are PART of the human impact. By ignoring such problems as wild hogs, we would be ignoring the problem of humans. TipiWalter wrote:So now "Tipi"-Walter is arguing against his own position previously taken in this thread. First, he advocated all non-indigenous humans jumping off a cliff and drowning. Now he is pretending that he actually favors a gradual lowering of the human population — rather than the destruction by ethnicity he originally proposed. His first proposal was by his own words, "reactive and weird but it makes for a good sound bite." Hey Walter, there wasn't anything good about it. You don't have the guts to lead the way.  Instead, when I invite TipiWalter to "Lead the way," he blows his top and goes hog-wild with false accusations — doing his best to change the subject from his own failure of leadership. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 2, 2016 9:43:15 GMT -8
. . . nonindigenous, non-native North American humans. If only we could be so lucky as to have them all rush off a cliff and drown, we'd be far better off for the miracle. In other words, you favor genocide, by definition "the deliberate killing of people who belong to a particular racial, political, or cultural group." And your statement says that you yourself (a "non-indigenous human") would be better off dead. |
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