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Post by Deleted on Jan 18, 2016 10:01:58 GMT -8
Full disclosure - I'm not much of a backpacker, I'm a sailor. But I made the Cinch-N-Clinch to help me secure my gear in rough weather, while diving my hull and while climbing the mast. I would LOVE to get opinions from backpackers on whether this is the type of thing you'd consider using to secure your gear!
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Post by tigger on Jan 18, 2016 10:13:19 GMT -8
Maybe for people who can't tie a knot? I do just fine with a slip knot and a half hitch.
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Post by Westy on Jan 18, 2016 10:19:46 GMT -8
Trending Tie Down Strap Used By MotorcyclistsThis is the hottest strap in the Motorcycle community, better than bungee cords. For backpacking, ski touring and climbing, my backcountry style excludes anything strapped to the exterior of my pack. Gear such as tent poles, snow probes, ice axes etc. would be fixated in OEM exterior pockets and loops designed and manufactured for intended use with the pack. On very rare occasions, perhaps a helmet and crampons might be strapped externally. The only 100% for sure item that maybe strapped to my pack would be wet socks for drying also utilizing redundant backup safety pin(s). Gear that dangles goes missing at the most inappropriate time. Exterior gear can unbalance the load and catch on willows, branches, brush, rocks etc.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 18, 2016 10:42:38 GMT -8
Westy,
I've used some products similar to that in the past (not sure if they were from the same company). Those plastic fasteners don't stand up to a whole lot of abuse! I've had them beak into several pieces when temperatures drop below freezing and more than once something has caused the fastener to break while I'm underway.
My design doesn't have the weakness of relying on a small piece of cheap plastic to hold it together- it hasn't failed on me yet!
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Post by Deleted on Jan 18, 2016 10:45:28 GMT -8
Tigger, Very true! A good knot will do in almost any circumstance. I often have friends and their kids out on the boat with me and while they're usually eager to lend a hand, I don't always trust the knots they tie to secure my gear. But in about 10 seconds I can show them how to fasten something securely in place using a Cinch-N-Clinch and I can rest easy knowing it will stay out. Of course, as backpackers, I'm guessing you don't leave the packing of gear up to inexperienced children very often!
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Post by zeke on Jan 18, 2016 10:56:22 GMT -8
IMO, this post is close to violating the ban on any poster advertising a website to purchase gear they sell. While I can see the fun of such a cinch, I know how to tie any number of stopper knots that will do the same thing. I have some on pre-made line for various needs on my kayak gear.
Don't get me wrong. This group can be real gear whores, but they also like to do things with what they already have, making them double duty items.
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Post by tigger on Jan 18, 2016 11:23:00 GMT -8
I'll make you a deal - You send me a variety pack of your Cinch-N-Clinch straps before March 1st. BlueBear and I will be heading out to work in the Arctic circle for CIRES/NASA in Greenland for a month. We'll give them a test for you and give you straight feedback. If they are all the rave, you'll get some coverage in the backpacking community, and on our blog. ciresblogs.colorado.edu/firncover/
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Post by zeke on Jan 18, 2016 11:40:45 GMT -8
I doubt they were designed for -40*, C or F. (Yes, I know)
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Post by amaruq on Jan 18, 2016 12:00:48 GMT -8
I watched your video without sound, so bear with me as I lay out my internal monologue during that time in point form.
-That's just a piece of cord with a couple sliding knots and some shrink wrap. -What sliding knots are you using? Trade secret? Because, as a sailor I'm sure you know, some will cinch right down under load and customers will never get them to slide again. Or perhaps you have thimbles/eyelets in the mix under there? -Why are you using a Fig-8 rap device in your "Do Not Try This At Home" pull-up test? Why not just tie that girth hitch directly to the 'biner? Or better yet a Clove hitch given it looks like one leg of that girth is slack.
Sorry, that's my rigging-efficiency stickler coming out, but Fig-8s aren't meant to be loaded axially in a master-link configuration like that.
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Post by Admin on Jan 18, 2016 12:02:29 GMT -8
this post is close to violating the ban on any poster advertising Close is right. But I decided to leave it for the simple need to see how others reacted? He isn't "selling" exactly, he's getting opinions. I may be wrong but I don't see it as a product yet, so people who get all interested add to KickStarter and eventually (if it works out) get a strap. When I worked in a backpack shop years ago, we sold Croakies! Neoprene straps for glasses. I didn't read enough to learn how these differ?
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Post by zeke on Jan 18, 2016 12:31:10 GMT -8
These appear to be adjustable cinches to allow gear to be hung up easily. The key is that each example shown has a knob or a rim to be caught, or like the hammer and adjustable wrench, the head is too big to pass through the cinch. He shows several things being cinched down and hung on the outside of a pack, but few of us like to carry things like that. I didn't read enough to learn how these differ?
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Post by Admin on Jan 18, 2016 13:16:29 GMT -8
Okay, so I missed that. His name includes "croaker" and when I saw t5he photo. my brain took a wrong turn. But the fact remains, is isn't a product offered for sale, so I left it in place.
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Post by Lonewolf on Jan 18, 2016 15:50:21 GMT -8
I almost never have anything on the outside of my pack and what is is held on with existing straps.
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Post by JRinGeorgia on Jan 18, 2016 17:42:53 GMT -8
But the fact remains, is isn't a product offered for sale So all Kickstarter campaigns posted by the seller/maker are "fair ball"?
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Post by franco on Jan 18, 2016 17:52:24 GMT -8
The REI weekend crowd may like the idea but here many/most do know how to make knots and are aware that dangling stuff from a pack is something that beginners do but not the smart thing to do. Apart from the danger of damaging and or losing the item, every time it swings you need to spend energy to counteract that. Not much energy for a single swing but 20,000 steps later it can make some difference.
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