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Post by sarbar on Oct 12, 2015 6:38:30 GMT -8
Oh gawd. Not "shedding"...the siren call of anti-vaxxers.
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Post by FamilySherpa on Oct 12, 2015 7:07:15 GMT -8
This is hardly being an "anti-vaxxer". I also agree with Travis--you can't lump all those things together. I got all my vaxxes, got my kids all theirs, get a regular physical, wear my seat belts, and let them carve "suspicious" chunks out of my skin when they want to. But I see the flu shots as particularly ineffective. And since any medical intervention carries (often unknown) risks, I'm not a flu shot fan.
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Post by texasbb on Oct 12, 2015 7:33:51 GMT -8
Oh gawd. Not "shedding"...the siren call of anti-vaxxers. Sticks and stones and all that, but I wonder if you read my whole post(s). I've expressed dislike for exactly one vaccination--the flu--and gave my reasons. FWIW, shedding is a fact, and is generally, as best we know, a harmless thing. But I'm not so naive as to think there are never any unknown and/or unintended consequences so I will not blindly accept every medical intervention the government and big pharma try to shame me into embracing. Just this morning there was an article about a vaccine-linked case of polio. Quote: "Laos has been free of the wild polio virus since 1993, but poor immunization rates mean people are at risk of infection with strains of the virus that can mutate in sewage after being excreted by immunized children." Note that they blamed poor immunization rates, while acknowledging that it was immunization that introduced the mutant strain into the wild. So is it better to immunize or not? In the case of polio I'd say yes, because the downside of infection is horrible and the effectiveness of the vaccine is good--the numbers work in favor of vaxxing and, by golly, I want protection for myself and my family. In the case of the flu, the effectiveness numbers vs the risk just don't work for me. So call me what you want.
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Post by Admin on Oct 12, 2015 8:01:55 GMT -8
Note that they blamed poor immunization rates, Actually, the mention of poor vaccination rates was to explain why unvaccinated children were able to catch the deadly flu. Those who were vaccinated may have excreted the problem-causing waste, but the message seems to be:get vaccinated!
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Post by BigLoad on Oct 12, 2015 8:06:36 GMT -8
Mine is scheduled for tomorrow morning at work. I get one every year. I haven't had the flu since I was a kid, nor have I had any notable reaction to the shot. My grandfather lost a couple young adult siblings in the 1918 epidemic.
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Post by Westy on Oct 12, 2015 9:48:30 GMT -8
Took care of it at the Salt Lake VA in late September.
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Post by texasbb on Oct 12, 2015 10:00:49 GMT -8
Actually, the mention of poor vaccination rates was to explain why unvaccinated children were able to catch the deadly flu. Those who were vaccinated may have excreted the problem-causing waste, but the message seems to be:get vaccinated! Actually, that's exactly what I said (or at least implied). Of course that was the message. And in this case, as I tried to state as clearly as I could, I agree with the message. The purpose of citing that article was to illustrate that shedding is not some baloney made up by folks who don't like vaccinations--it happens. The question is whether it's ever something to worry about. I don't know and I doubt the pros do either.
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Post by High Sierra Fan on Oct 12, 2015 10:14:33 GMT -8
"The question is whether it's ever something to worry about. I don't know and I doubt the pros do either."
Why do you think that? General doubt about "the pros" competency?
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Post by texasbb on Oct 12, 2015 11:11:46 GMT -8
"The question is whether it's ever something to worry about. I don't know and I doubt the pros do either." Why do you think that? General doubt about "the pros" competency? Competency? No, that's the wrong way to put it. Hubris, maybe? Earlier in this thread I gave several examples of solid advice coming from various pros that turned out to be exactly wrong. Another: my mother-in-law was advised per the pros' recommendation to take hormone therapy in her sunset years--to avoid a certain kind of cancer. Some years later they called her with emergency new advice--they'd had it exactly backwards. It seems to have bit her pretty hard. These various "pros", especially when politics and money making are nearby, tend to have an aversion to saying "we don't know" or even "we're not sure." They aren't always wrong, but notably often they are.
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Post by sarbar on Oct 12, 2015 12:04:58 GMT -8
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Post by llamero on Oct 12, 2015 20:10:48 GMT -8
Got mine this afternoon.
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Post by walkswithblackflies on Oct 13, 2015 6:28:47 GMT -8
Here's another reason: More than half of workers sick with the flu go to work, even though they know betterwww.syracuse.com/health/index.ssf/2015/10/flu.html#incart_m-rpt-1And a comment from the article's author: "Even doctors go to work sick. About one-third of 474 doctors recently surveyed at an academic hospital in California said they would go to work even if they knew for sure they had the flu."
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Post by BigLoad on Oct 13, 2015 16:54:32 GMT -8
Mine is scheduled for tomorrow morning at work. I get one every year. I haven't had the flu since I was a kid, nor have I had any notable reaction to the shot. My grandfather lost a couple young adult siblings in the 1918 epidemic. Got my shot. I haven't keeled over dead yet. There's a pretty good chance I'll live to see another day, maybe two.
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Post by JiminMD on Oct 14, 2015 1:42:21 GMT -8
We took the kids, ages 9 and 2, for their annual physicals on Monday. Both received flu shots. A bit of low grade whining about the 9 year old's achy arm but that seems to be the worst of it.
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Post by walkswithblackflies on Oct 14, 2015 4:44:58 GMT -8
My grandfather lost a couple young adult siblings in the 1918 epidemic. My grandfather's parents died from 1918 flu, but all his siblings survived. He was raised by his older brothers.
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