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Post by Deleted on Dec 18, 2016 4:58:59 GMT -8
If authentic is synonymous with quality in the Zen of Motorcycle Maintenance definition then I'm all for authenticity.
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Post by kenv on Dec 20, 2016 12:20:29 GMT -8
We all have, I think, a responsibility to make the world a better place, be it helping the homeless, tutoring in a school, working to improve the environment or whatever. If you haven't helped others, then in MHO, you haven't lived any kind of authentic life. I'll say amen to that. For me an "authentic" life is not self-centered but rather highly service-to-others-centered.
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Post by hikerjer on Dec 20, 2016 20:26:52 GMT -8
I'll say amen to that. For me an "authentic" life is not self centered but rather highly service-to-others centered. Well, ken, it's nice to see we agree on something so fundamental. Guess it just goes to show there is much that unites us ,usually in a positive way. Merry Christmas
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Post by kenv on Dec 21, 2016 6:07:19 GMT -8
Well, ken, it's nice to see we agree on something so fundamental. Guess it just goes to show there is much that unites us ,usually in a positive way. Merry Christmas Once again, I agree; there is usually much more that unites humanity than divides humanity. Sadly politics is often a great divider.
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Post by y2 on Dec 21, 2016 21:17:26 GMT -8
Just trying to be as honest to yourself and others as you can be,
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Post by kenv on Dec 22, 2016 6:49:09 GMT -8
Just trying to be as honest to yourself and others as you can be, Sadly, for many people being "honest to yourself" means being self centered/lazy and just another member of the herd. Which I would think is the opposite of an "authentic life".
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Post by hikerjer on Dec 22, 2016 9:33:03 GMT -8
Which I would think is the opposite of an "authentic life". .Agreed. I work as a volunteer in several capacities and in each one of them we have people from al walks of life there trying to help. What strikes me the most, besides their genuine desire to help, is that they come from all different political views and social levels. We have liberals, conservatives, radical, straights, gays, far right wingers, Christians, Jews and even a Mulsim or two, as well as agnostics and atheists, the very wealthy and those from the lower economic level. The one thing they do have in common is that they all want to, in some way, make the world a better place for everyone. It's heartening
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Post by wycanislatrans on Dec 24, 2016 6:47:48 GMT -8
Not to shed doubt on the little love fest going, but do we really do things for "selfless" reasons? Don't get me wrong it's a good thing, but people volunteer because it gives them self reward from doing so. I simply raise the question in the pursuit of an "authentic life".
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Post by absarokanaut on Dec 24, 2016 7:58:42 GMT -8
Wycanislatrans,
Great to see you. How are you and your family doing. You're in Wisconsin now, right?
Volunteering is an awesome thing as long as we don't blow those trumpets.
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Post by hikerjer on Dec 24, 2016 8:11:29 GMT -8
self reward from doing so Maybe, but like you said, that's OK. BTW, I'd echo absarokanaut's comments. Good to see you back. What are you doing in Wisnconsin? It's a long way from Cody.
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Post by wycanislatrans on Dec 24, 2016 8:18:25 GMT -8
Thank you. I have changed locations and slightly changed careers.
It's fine to blow the trumpets too, but if we are self-actualizing we need to be honest of such motivations. Introspection can be a good thing.
It's a little crude but I've heard it said that "people almost never do anything without self interest".
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Post by tigger on Dec 24, 2016 9:09:11 GMT -8
Not to shed doubt on the little love fest going, but do we really do things for "selfless" reasons? Don't get me wrong it's a good thing, but people volunteer because it gives them self reward from doing so. I simply raise the question in the pursuit of an "authentic life". Some things I do, I feel emotional reward. Some volunteer work I do, simply sucks at time. In fact, sometimes...people actually complain about it but I know it is for the good of the community so I do it anyway. Reward does not equal greed. Honor in itself, is it's own reward, right? I see that as a side-effect, not as the primary reason for the activity.
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Post by absarokanaut on Dec 24, 2016 9:48:15 GMT -8
Of course a major motivation for any of us doing "selfless" things is that emotional reward. The question is can we get that reward without boasting of our charity in an ultimate attempt to make others feel they've come up short. I'm largely in agreement with you man. My ken on the Trumpets Wycan is that those trumpets are, sadly, for the most part just another engine of division, not community. Remember a few years ago when they came out with the stat that Republicans were more generous with charity than Democrats not just by total amount but as a percentage of income? Took some time, but then we learned it was in many of our opinions ludicrous because they included churches where a colosssal majority of Republican "donations" went. IMO while many churches continue to do incredibly noble and often needed work yet I think that we all know that in the 21st century while many churches continue good works many more churches are little more than political action communities and instruments of social manipulation, and supporting them is almost always done for the less than selfless reasons we've come to know.
As I said earlier authenticity is subjective. I more often than not disagree with positions from the "right" in my country. I believe they are more often than not "wrong" and that I am more often than not "right." I'm sure most of them feel the same about me and my "kind." Which of us are more "authentic?"
Sometimes one word can't relate our persuasions. The positive conotation this discussion has established for "autheticity" in my mind can be better explained with a few more less subjective words some have already noted: Honor, Inclusion, Community, Responsibility, Decency.
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Post by hikerjer on Dec 24, 2016 10:49:00 GMT -8
t "people almost never do anything without self interest". Sorry, but I have to disagree. I've come across plenty os selfless people in my time. I'm sorry to see hat at our tender age, you've become so cynical and jaded. But Merry Christmas anyway.
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Post by wycanislatrans on Dec 24, 2016 14:30:21 GMT -8
I'm not just speaking on immediate satisfaction but also a feeling of general satisfaction of having done a positive thing. Often we reflect and derive contentment for such actions. Same reason some of us choose professions or lifestyles. These rewards are reaped in forms of general personal satisfaction in doing something we feel is positive. That's not a bad thing, nor cynical. Actually somewhat of a Buddhist view.
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