JiminMD
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Post by JiminMD on Aug 10, 2016 15:13:36 GMT -8
If you have a smart phone, I recommend the app RadarScope. It is by far the best weather radar app I've found. Obviously radar is only a prediction tool and only as good as your ability to read it, but this one is well designed.
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Post by bigDdeed on Aug 10, 2016 15:15:33 GMT -8
RadarScope is a great app!
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Post by Deleted on Aug 10, 2016 19:39:47 GMT -8
People have died because they have ignored the weather forecast. It doesn't matter what your skill level is, you can't mess with mother nature when the weather is severe. Rain, extreme heat, extreme cold, blizzard, wind, thunderstorms, all can overwhelm even the most skilled outdoor individual. In my area, the possibility of severe weather has been predicted nearly every day for a month. Yet this is the time of year when a great many multi-night backpackers in Wyoming are active. Fact is that there are a lot of members in these forums that choose on a regular basis to "mess with mother nature when the weather is severe" by accepting the risk that goes with the territory and with the time of year. And it is very rare that anyone dies from that.
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Post by swmtnbackpacker on Aug 10, 2016 19:53:25 GMT -8
Yeah, I'll check if there's a higher than normal probability, but I'll also avoid rainy season. I just don't care for a lot of rain with lightning. I really despise desert windstorms (though it's more a problem driving to the TH), ... but can deal with some snow if I know it's around.
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Post by RumiDude on Aug 10, 2016 22:18:57 GMT -8
People have died because they have ignored the weather forecast. It doesn't matter what your skill level is, you can't mess with mother nature when the weather is severe. Rain, extreme heat, extreme cold, blizzard, wind, thunderstorms, all can overwhelm even the most skilled outdoor individual. In my area, the possibility of severe weather has been predicted nearly every day for a month. Yet this is the time of year when a great many multi-night backpackers in Wyoming are active. Fact is that there are a lot of members in these forums that choose on a regular basis to "mess with mother nature when the weather is severe" by accepting the risk that goes with the territory and with the time of year. And it is very rare that anyone dies from that.It is also probably true that the weather was possibly not as severe as claimed. The wind gets faster, the rain rain gets fiercer, the lightning gets closer, the snow gets deeper, and the temperature gets hotter/colder in the retelling of the adventure. Weather predictions are still not very accurate more than 48 hours out for many areas of the country. And specific conditions in specific locations is even less accurate. But having a heads up on a likely severe thunderstorm system, likely flooding, likely avalanche conditions, etc should make people avoid those situations. Sometimes it is easy to avoid most of the possible risk, but other times it is not. Not that very long ago, one of our beloved forum members was killed in an unexpected severe weather situation. If he would have had a heads up on that, I am sure he would not have taken the risk leading young teens out there. It was a lucky circumstance that he was the only one of the group injured, it could easily have been much worse. Rumi
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Post by Hungry Jack on Aug 10, 2016 22:43:01 GMT -8
My personal belief is that forecasts beyond 72 hours are very unreliable. At that point, I look at seasonal averages. If I am planning on a trip to the UP in a week, and the forecast calls for rain, I won't worry about rain, at least until a few days before.
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Post by fifeplayer on Aug 10, 2016 23:44:39 GMT -8
I always check a day or so before, usually with either weather.com or wunderground. Not because I plan on cancelling (except for something like a tropical storm or major rainstorm if I'm beach camping, caving or canyoneering), but because I'll match layers and gear to the worst predicted + 1 more).
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Post by johntpenca on Aug 11, 2016 0:35:05 GMT -8
Here in SoCal and the sierra weather is reasonably stable. I check the weather forecast but don't pay much attention. Winter is different. Then a bad snowfall can really be a pain.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 11, 2016 0:51:48 GMT -8
But having a heads up on a likely severe thunderstorm system, likely flooding, likely avalanche conditions, etc should make people avoid those situations. "Should"? "Should" implies a value system — in this case your value system imposed upon other hikers. It's a Hike-Your-Own-Hike situation. If you look at maps of severe thunderstorm activity, the PNW, where you live, shows a very low incidence of severe thunderstorms. They are far more likely in Wyoming and even more likely east of here. I spent a full day this last week hiking when severe thunderstorms were "likely." In fact, it has been that way for a month or more in my area. Just in Wyoming, literally thousands of other people were also out hiking during that time. Did any of us die because of it? People have been killed in ideal weather. But that is no reason we "should" avoid hiking during ideal weather. It is extremely difficult to pick any summer week in Wyoming when a backpacker can be free from the likelihood of severe thunderstorm activity. The thousands of backpackers who flock to Wyoming to backpack the Wind River Range, Yellowstone and so on are voting with their feet against your value system. "Messing with mother nature," as you call it, is what we do — all of us.
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Post by johntpenca on Aug 11, 2016 1:36:51 GMT -8
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Post by Deleted on Aug 11, 2016 1:49:52 GMT -8
It is extremely difficult to pick any summer week in Wyoming when a backpacker can be free from the likelihood of severe thunderstorm activity Thunder/lightning storms are fairly common in the rockies. Try to be off the passes and ridges in the early afternoon or have a bail out plan. That's only part of the problem. Severe thunderstorms are not limited to the high elevations. Even if you follow that prescription, you will still be subject to the likelihood of a severe thunderstorm. You may reduce somewhat your risk of lightning, but that is only one element of a severe thunderstorm. I grew up in Wyoming. Born and raised here. You're not telling me anything new.
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Post by johntpenca on Aug 11, 2016 1:57:15 GMT -8
Travis, I meant it for the general forum. I think the NOLS info is pretty accurate. Been a while since I've been to the rockies, but have ridden out my share of storms there.
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Post by RumiDude on Aug 11, 2016 2:08:40 GMT -8
This is correct, but severe thunderstorms are not the only weather hazard and the area I live has plenty of severe weather conditions which pose danger to hikers; wind, rain, and avalanche being the primary three. Maybe where you live in Wyoming wind is not a great danger because there are few trees to be blown over on a hiker. But here and many other areas in which I have lived and visited, that is a danger. Most logging operations here in Washington suspend work in the forest when the wind reaches 25mph. They do it for safety reasons because branches fall and whole trees tumble over. If even a relatively small branch fell on a person it is likely to severely injure them or cause death. When systems of rain come through, they can cause flooding which is also dangerous to hikers. Maybe you don't get that kind of rain in Wyoming. And it's not just rivers and streams flooding but soil saturation causing washouts of hillsides, trees falling, etc. Avalanches can be caused buy both severe weather or just plain ole nice weather. Maybe avalanches are not an issue where you live in Wyoming so you aren't aware, but many times it is so dangerous it is foolish to travel anywhere in the mountains because of avy danger. These are not the only weather dangers people need to be aware of. My moods become stormy the closer I get to trailhead departure. If I call off the hike, I have to deal with the storm inside me. That's an excess energy that's prone to climb walls, growl at other humans and machines, and in general act like a caged up animal. I think most of us here have seen if not experienced that stormy mood of yours. I hope you find whatever you need to sooth your stormy mood. Rumi This thread needs a soundtrack ...
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Post by Deleted on Aug 11, 2016 2:22:51 GMT -8
Here's the thing. The topic was started by a new member. She asked us what we do. She did not ask us for advice on what she "should" do. How can we know that? We don't know where she is from. We don't know how experienced she is. We don't know where she backpacks. We don't know what she considers "bad weather."
If we correlate "bad weather" to "severe weather" there is a big difference across North America. If someone lives in the PNW, it is a lot easier to claim they stay home during severe thunderstorms because that requires very little change of plans. Compare that to someone in a state where severe thunderstorms are common or a near daily possibility and the idea of staying home falls apart pretty quickly.
Severe thunderstorms are not limited to high elevations. In fact, they are far more common in the lower elevations of the country. It's a risky thing to give other people advice when we don't even know where they hike. So I go back to the OP's question. She asked us what we do — not what we think she "should" do. We know almost nothing about her.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 11, 2016 2:30:06 GMT -8
I think most of us here have seen if not experienced that stormy mood of yours. Rumi You haven't come anywhere close. Now you might if I followed your lame advice and stayed home every time there was a likelihood of severe weather.
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