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Post by hikingtiger on Mar 17, 2016 12:19:05 GMT -8
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Post by foxalo on Mar 17, 2016 12:40:30 GMT -8
Interesting article. It explains a lot about the DNA my mom recently had done, showing that there's a whole lot more Celtic in her than she expected. I'm looking forward to seeing what my dad's days.
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Post by walkswithblackflies on Mar 17, 2016 12:48:13 GMT -8
Interesting article. It explains a lot about the DNA my mom recently had done, showing that there's a whole lot more Celtic in her than she expected. I'm looking forward to seeing what my dad's days. Ha! My dad just sent his in. I believe we'll find a decent proportion of Nordic DNA.
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Post by foxalo on Mar 17, 2016 13:00:52 GMT -8
We found that my mom's side had quite a bit of Scandinavian DNA. My dad is the big mystery. I can't wait to hear. He's expecting it in May.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 17, 2016 14:30:02 GMT -8
The research indicates that Irish origins do not include the Celts. The Irish existed in Ireland at least a thousand years before the Celts arrived — if they even "arrived" in Ireland. Whoever the Celts were, or whatever Celtic culture is, it did not spread from Central Europe into Ireland. Just the opposite appears true. Some form of Celtic culture may have begun in places like Ireland and spread to Central Europe.
While there may today be a cultural identity considered Irish-Celtic, it is mostly based upon literature and on misconceptions of history rather than on evidence in genetics or in the movements of ethnic groups in ancient history.
This is all similar to the myth of there being a "white" or "Caucasian" race. There is no evidence of any such thing as either. The term "white" has been used at various times in history to include or exclude certain ethnic groups. But there are no genetic roots to determine who is white or not. It's a cultural myth originating in pseudo-science and social prejudice — not in genetics.
But whichever groups are arbitrarily considered "white," it is well know and documented that they did not originate around the Caucasus region of Europe. So the Irish were not Celts and Whites were not Caucasians, but who knows how long the mythical distinction will remain a part of questionnaires on racial origins?
I have never considered myself white, but when I was young, I was told that I was white, Caucasian, and part Irish. Now that I am older, I find that I am a darker-tanned, mixed-up blend of who-knows-what. I kind of like my new identity.
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Post by hikerjer on Mar 17, 2016 15:11:57 GMT -8
All I know is my ancestors, on my dad's side, were all Russian peasants who escaped to the Dakotas to get out of the Tsars's army. My mother is an English war bride so that side of me is a bit of problem for the Irish, I suppose. Understandalby so.
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Post by walkswithblackflies on Mar 18, 2016 4:42:49 GMT -8
Now that I am older, I find that I am a darker-tanned, mixed-up blend of who-knows-what. I kind of like my new identity. At least here in Upstate NY, which has a strong immigrant past: people in my father's generation are predominantly one or two ethnicities, people of my generation are a mix of two to four ethnicities, and people of my children's generation might not have any predominant ethnicity. My paternal grandparents were a mixed-ethnicity couple, much to the chagrin of both groups. So I identify as 50% Irish, 25% German, and 25% Italian. Thankfully, I ended up with the best of each: Italian skin, German stubbornness, and Irish temper. And I can hold my whiskey, beer, AND wine!
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Post by amaruq on Mar 18, 2016 4:50:41 GMT -8
Well, I can trace my Swedish Ehn roots back to the fifteenth or sixteenth century. My Irish Jones and Berwick-upon-Tweedian Anderson roots I know back to the late-eighteenth/early-nineteenth century. But my English Wainwright and true Scottish Crawford roots I only know to the early twentieth century.
Alas, I have no information back to 2000BC so I'll have to take the article's hypothesis at face value.
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Post by reuben on Mar 18, 2016 5:11:55 GMT -8
What about those with bent geneology? You made a wiccan mad, so she made you a newt. You caused your own bent geneology.
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Post by foxalo on Mar 18, 2016 5:37:59 GMT -8
True Wiccans don't use their spells for bad. Now, if he enjoys his newt status, then I guess it's okay.
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Post by walkswithblackflies on Mar 18, 2016 6:21:15 GMT -8
True Wiccans don't use their spells for bad. His new form is for the better.
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Post by mk on Mar 18, 2016 7:49:18 GMT -8
My all-German mother lives with us during the winter (both her parents were immigrants) -- I don't always consider this to be a "best" characteristic
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Post by walkswithblackflies on Mar 18, 2016 8:18:31 GMT -8
My all-German mother lives with us during the winter (both her parents were immigrants) -- I don't always consider this to be a "best" characteristic It has to be paired with an Irish temper.
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Post by hikingtiger on Mar 18, 2016 9:05:33 GMT -8
Ha! My dad just sent his in. I believe we'll find a decent proportion of Nordic DNA. I need to get mine done. Mainly to see if it matches up with what I've found regarding family tree info (all on mom's side). A friend asked me Saturday if I was Irish (ran the Wild Irish Run 10k). I asked, "How far back do you want to go?" I mean, sure 95% of mom's family came here from Ireland. They arrived in Ireland anywhere between 850 and 1300-ish. The former directly from Norway, the latter stopping through the Orkneys and Scotland along the way. Sweden and Kvenland before that, but that's all I've got.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 18, 2016 10:13:43 GMT -8
I need to get mine done. Mainly to see if it matches up with what I've found regarding family tree info (all on mom's side). I haven't done a DNA test yet either. But a brother and sister have, so mine is likely to be virtually the same. The DNA is mostly British Isles-European with Native American a few generations past. That agrees with our genealogy research — which really accounts only for the more prominent names in our DNA. But the genealogy is easily traced back to the Virginian aristocracy, back through the royalty of Europe and England, and finally to the Caesars of Ancient Rome. All that sounds pretty sophisticated, but it accounts for only a small fraction of my DNA. What I would really prefer is more information on the Native American DNA, but alas, that is difficult to trace.
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