Travis
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Post by Travis on Mar 18, 2024 19:13:29 GMT -8
This thread began with a link to some guy's claim that "Some national parks...only ask you to spend a day understanding what makes it [sic, i.e. them] unique."
Included in the one day list was Wind Cave National Park. I can say with a fair amount of confidence that nowhere does Wind Cave NP "only ask you to spend a day understanding what makes it unique." I guess I just take too many things literally.
I don't know Sarbar's son. I don't raise chickens. And I don't eat eggs. I also don't like pigs, and I don't eat bacon. Stone me.
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Post by High Sierra Fan on Mar 18, 2024 19:20:07 GMT -8
Well getting stoned is legal in more and more states these days…
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Post by Travis on Mar 18, 2024 19:36:30 GMT -8
Well getting stoned is legal in more and more states these days… Ah, the memories...
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Post by ErnieW on Mar 18, 2024 20:02:34 GMT -8
Ah, the memories... What were we talking about man?
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Post by bluefish on Mar 19, 2024 2:13:53 GMT -8
What were we talking about man? Pot for every, chicken, man.
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Post by High Sierra Fan on Mar 19, 2024 14:09:01 GMT -8
Well getting stoned is legal in more and more states these days… Ah, the memories... “Memories”? If you remember the sixties you didn’t live the sixties… 😎
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Post by Travis on Mar 19, 2024 14:24:22 GMT -8
Ah, the memories... “Memories”? If you remember the sixties you didn’t live the sixties… 😎 Yeah, I've heard that, but for me it was the seventies. And this Wyoming teenager definitely remembers driving through Haight-Ashbury and strolling Telegraph Avenue in the evening.
Even if the memories are a bit distorted.
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Post by ErnieW on Mar 19, 2024 17:36:59 GMT -8
There were a few trend setting locations where the 60's were there in the late 60's. Until Kennedy was assassinated the 60's were more like the 50's in most places. What people think of as the 60's was more widespread in the beginning of the 70's (see That 70's Show). We weren't out of Vietnam until 1975 and lot of the counterculture movement was influenced by that war.
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Post by Travis on Mar 19, 2024 21:03:33 GMT -8
To me the 60s were about the popularization of hallucinogens, which could be dated back to 1957. In that year, Life magazine published an article about the use of psilocybin mushrooms in religious ceremonies of indigenous peoples in Mexico. Timothy Leary got involved in 1960 and experimented with hallucinogens at Harvard in the next few years and up to 1963, when Harvard fired him.
But by 1966 the psychedelic experience had been popularized enough in California to be banned in the state. And the Federal Government followed that up with a nation-wide ban in 1968. That was all mixed with war protests, political assassinations, Vietnam vets smoking pot, the burning of draft cards and so on by the early 70s.
The 60s counter culture was a lot of things, but contrary to the cliche, it was not a loss of memory. People who were really there in the 60s do in fact remember them. Psilocybin was not heroin and it was not alcohol. It did not promote blackouts and memory loss. It may be that it was the people who were too drunk to notice who don't remember that something else was going on in the 60s.
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Post by ErnieW on Mar 20, 2024 4:20:36 GMT -8
The 60s counter culture was a lot of things, but contrary to the cliche, it was not a loss of memory. People who were really there in the 60s do in fact remember it. Psilocybin was not heroin and it was not alcohol. It did not promote blackouts and memory loss. It may be that it was the people who were too drunk to notice who don't remember that something else was going on in the 60s. Actually it looks like we're finally pulling out of that era's effects in regards to hallucinogenics. Instead of being viewed as damaging there is now more and more evidence that the experience can be beneficial. Oregon has legalized supervised use of psilocybin. Hallucinogenics may be an important tool in treating PTSD and drug addictions including alcoholism.
P.S. It can also be just a lot of fun. Fun can be therapeutic right?
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Post by driftwoody on Mar 23, 2024 4:27:09 GMT -8
My first "trip" was to a triple feature of Marx Brothers movies. That experience transcended any previous notion of "fun" and laughter.
The buddy who drove us to the Berwyn Theater was unable to pilot his car home, so I volunteered. We listened to a new Pink Floyd release on the 8-track player along the way. I'm pretty sure it was the first time I heard Dark Side of the Moon.
I'm trying to relate this memory to a one day visit at a national park, but the only conclusion is thread drift. In my defense, I just returned from a weeklong vacation that included 3 days at GSMNP. No backpacking, just short hikes to waterfalls. I didn't have it in my old tired body to attempt Ramsey Cascades, so I came home a day early. Back to the "grind" on Monday. Reached full retirement age 9 days ago but Mrs. Driftwoody wasn't keen on that, so my compromise is to work thru the end of this year.
The price of eggs didn't enter into it at all.
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Post by bluefish on Mar 23, 2024 5:10:54 GMT -8
I would have been driving on the Dark Side of the Moon, listening to Chicago.
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Post by driftwoody on Mar 23, 2024 5:20:51 GMT -8
I would have been driving on the Dark Side of the Moon, listening to Chicago. Probably between 3:35am & 3:34am. ETA: Kudos to knowing Berwyn is in Chicagoland. Bonus points if you get my musical time reference.
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Post by ErnieW on Mar 23, 2024 6:13:42 GMT -8
I'm trying to relate this memory to a one day visit at a national park, but the only conclusion is thread drift. Interesting one day trips. Fits in perfectly.
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Post by absarokanaut on Mar 23, 2024 9:46:03 GMT -8
But I don't agree the problem is restricted to one generation. And I seriously doubt anyone is forcing your son to work a job with no days off. Here's the problem. You are 71. He's 26. It's an entirely different world now. Sure, no one "forces him" but they do mentally. He watches them have no one to hire, he feels bad, he volunteers - they literally beg him to work 6-7 days a week. We live where 65% of the population is retired, and good god do they fricking whine. WHINE so much. Who do they think is going to work these jobs? The local high school has 100 or so kids a year graduating. There is almost no children here - the district is massive in size, but has less than 1.000 children now. There were so many Boomers. There are so few elder Gen Z's out there. It's a lonely world for them. If I hear ONE MORE BOOMER here whine how "no one wants to work" I am going to scream. There isn't enough of them to make every Boomer happy. Gen Z was brought to you by mostly the tiny Gen X cohort. Wow. Correct me if I'm wrong Sarbar but haven't you proclaimed quasi libertarian "ideals" in the past? Do you not understand how colossally incompatible that is with your lament about your son's living situation? I have indeed had the pleasure to know younger people with great work ethics. I have however known many, in my experience most, with horrible ones. Yes, every generation complains about the generations that follow it but if what Travis said were not unequivocally true communities across the country would not have to rely on Hispanics and other minorities to do the jobs many if not most young people are unwilling to do. The community I live in would for one collapse overnight if ICE came in and arrested the undocumented, etc. There is an obvious solution to the immigration crisis but if would of course cut corporate profits. Blaming people because of age, not ideology, is with all due respect asinine. BABY BOOMERS (No need to propagate the absurd pejorative here Sarbar, is there?) are indeed holding on to homes but they're not the root cause of the housing crisis. Blaming people because of age instead of ideology is with all due respect asinine. If you want to help your child come to terms with your hypocrisy and invest in their community, don't whine about their predicament while doing absolutely nothing to address it. Recognize the reality of what more than a half century of ______ inspired tax cuts have done to the fabric of our society. Stop blaming others and own up to the fact that in the 21st Century "freedom" and "independence" are incompatible with selfishness. The lunacy of thinking you're a victim when you're nothing but a willing participant will never help your son. Yes, BABY Boomers are holding on to homes and exacerbating an existing crisis. We however are not en masse to blame for every economic cirsis. Those to blame are the imbeciles that think their "independence" doesn't require community investment. If you want your child to have a better community come to terms with the actual threats to it.
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