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Post by trinity on Feb 16, 2022 10:58:29 GMT -8
I wonder if a Yeti or RTIC would outperform a double cooler in which a smaller cooler is placed entirely inside a larger cooler, with added insulation if there are interior gaps between the two. On a backpacking trip many years ago I put some beer on ice in a Lunchmate cooler, then put that cooler inside a larger cooler and filled it in with ice. Left it in the car in the desert (Big Bend) for 4 days. Beer was still packed in ice on our return. Rarely has a beer tasted so good.
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Post by jazzmom on Feb 16, 2022 11:02:01 GMT -8
literally twice as much as the RTIC It looks like Yeti has beat them in the marketing arena. I had never heard of RTIC until I just looked them up. Do some "outdoor" stores carry this brand? I'm not positive but I don't think so, and I think the direct-to-customer sales is one way they can keep their price point. They do have great sales and, at least pre-pandemic, their shipping/customer service was very good. I actually posted a question here about these "fancy" coolers and someone pointed me to RTIC. I have the 20 Qt one and it's perfect for solo car-camping; I can get through a weekend without buying ice. Another company that flies under the radar is AO. I think they're strictly soft coolers. I have one when flying to my destination with gear and doing multiple days of camping. Works surprisingly well.
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Post by driftwoody on Feb 16, 2022 11:02:19 GMT -8
On a backpacking trip many years ago I put some beer on ice in a Lunchmate cooler, then put that cooler inside a larger cooler and filled it in with ice. Left it in the car in the desert (Big Bend) for 4 days. Beer was still packed in ice on our return. Rarely has a beer tasted so good. Taste a very subjective conclusion, but I'm glad that someone has put the double cooler idea to the test!
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Post by bluefish on Feb 16, 2022 11:18:01 GMT -8
I made a bag for our Coleman cooler out of Reflectix and rigid foam . Leftover scraps. I am SO uncool.
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Post by trinity on Feb 16, 2022 11:28:23 GMT -8
I see what you did there. But seriously, this is a great idea.
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Post by leadbelly on Feb 16, 2022 11:59:58 GMT -8
Yeti, Hydroflask, GSI all make good double-wall steel bottles that keep liquids hot and cold. they’re all pretty good, i have never had any of them leak. I broke a Yeti rambler handle from dropping a full bottle into concrete. Fair warning - in extreme cold, even these bottles can freeze solid. For hiking and being out in those conditions, i use thick, soft plastic water bottles in a neoprene sleeve:  
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Post by cweston on Feb 16, 2022 13:02:42 GMT -8
It's a nice complement to the hard-sided RTIC one I'd gotten (after much hemming and hawing) but I was totally floored when I saw the price in a store... literally twice as much as the RTIC. I just looked up the RTIC hard coolers: the 52 qt (probably the size I would buy) is $200. Like I said, I'm cheap, but even that gives me sticker shock. (For comparison, a "premium" Igloo 52 qt cooler is $50 at REI. A standard cooler that size at Walmart is more like $25-30.) But I might consider the RTIC one. Is the difference in performance really commensurate with the price difference?
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Post by marmotstew on Feb 16, 2022 13:48:09 GMT -8
I’ve got an RTIC coffee mug that works great. It was a gift so don’t know how much.
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Post by jazzmom on Feb 16, 2022 13:57:12 GMT -8
Is the difference in performance really commensurate with the price difference? I used to have the Igloo and Coleman coolers comparable to the Igloo REI carries. I think they were something like the "Extreme" and "Maxcold" lines though I don't remember which belonged to which. The RTIC definitely performs better but I think there are a couple of things to consider. First is the size. Most manufactures like Igloo/Coleman don't make good small coolers. Usually the smallest of their premium line is in the 50Qt range. That meant that I was filling it with a LOT of ice and still not using all of the volume which I believe degrades performance. When I down-sized, their smaller coolers were horrible. I was buying ice every single day, sometimes even twice on hot summer days. I gave up on those and went back to my too-big coolers. Second is durability. The lid on one cooler was never the same after somebody used it for a step stool putting up a tarp, and another cooler basically exploded when one of the kids dropped it. Didn't seem like a big deal since I never expected my $40 coolers to last forever, but it did mean a petty big hunk of plastic going into a landfill. The RTIC/Yeti/Orca type coolers have walls that are about double the thickness and weigh twice as much. They're just physically more robust, densely insulated. It's not some technological miracle. They won't keep things cold 4 times longer to justify the x4 price tag. It's worth it for me because I now have a small cooler that will get me through the weekend without hunting down ice. But if I need a bigger cooler, the disadvantage is that they're super heavy.
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Post by cweston on Feb 16, 2022 14:19:45 GMT -8
Thanks jazzmom: that's helpful info. I agree that the smaller models of standard cheap coolers are essentially useless. Fine for keeping a sandwich and a yogurt cool until lunch time, but... Weight is an interesting factor. When I camp, I'm by myself more often than not. Even a cheap cooler in the 50qt range filled with food and ice is heavy. My lower back injury is prone to flare up when I overlift, and, of course, the days immediately before a backpacking trip are a time for maximum caution about that. I've only once had to cancel a BP trip due to throwing my back out--I don't ever want to have to do that again.
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Post by ErnieW on Feb 16, 2022 15:39:52 GMT -8
I bought a 35 qt Canyon cooler. It's rotoformed like the Yeti. It actually has a slightly thicker wall than the Yeti's. Serious gaskets like Yeti. I got 35 qt for size and weight as mentioned by others. I can just handle it when it is filled. I couldn't bring myself to pay Yeti prices but wanted a super insulated cooler for car camping. It's impressive how cold it keeps things as long as you don't keep opening it. We use it with a smaller working cooler that gets the frequent opening.
For me the extra $$$ is worth being able to keep things cold without constantly adding ice.
P.S. There are competitors to Yeti that have products that perform as well for less $$$
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Post by High Sierra Fan on Feb 16, 2022 16:44:37 GMT -8
I’d earlier similarly questioned a Hydroflask’s performance. My take from that is there’s always some lemons in the mix. Being still frustrated by the small capacity of the one travel mug that does keep my coffee nice and hot I recently got a 20 oz Yeti (by chance a bogo, so not as big a bite) and on an all day photo shoot down to a local wildlife refuge the coffee stayed quite warm, and hot for most of the drive.
With its O-ring and slider lock I’ve seen no leakage.
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Post by rebeccad on Feb 16, 2022 22:20:19 GMT -8
Weight is an interesting factor. When I camp, I'm by myself more often than not. Even a cheap cooler in the 50qt range filled with food and ice is heavy. This is a huge consideration for me. I use and fill my basic 50-qt cooler even just for me if I'm hitting the road for a few days (I'll fill up with cold beverages if nothing else). Hauling that from the kitchen to the car is tricky, and once it's there I don't remove it--sometimes a pain if parking for a camp site is too far from the car, but tant pis as the French say. I'm thinking that I'd do well to load the thing with it already in the car in the first place, if not for the annoyance of having to haul all the stuff. Still--there's really no way for a person my size to carry a full-sized cooler using really good form.
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Post by FamilySherpa on Feb 17, 2022 5:28:46 GMT -8
I've always thought their products worked pretty well, but the off brands seem to work as well and at a fraction of the price.
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Post by ErnieW on Feb 17, 2022 7:25:14 GMT -8
FYI 50 qt of water is 104 pounds. 35 qt is 73. A cooler is never water full but when you add in the weight of the cooler, particularly these high end one, this gives you an idea of what you are dealing with. I have become a fan of a couple of smaller coolers with one set as the do not open unless have to. Opening the cooler definitely shortens the cold. Another thing you can do is wrap the do not open cooler with emergency blankets and/or towels to boost its insulation.
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