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Post by gabby on Apr 1, 2021 8:25:42 GMT -8
Actually, if you're going to throw one over a cliff, it would be Smart (see what I did there?) to be somewhere you can get another water carrier easily. Maybe throw it out a window. OTOH, if you don't throw a new one out the same window, you won't have a benchmark for evaluating the performance of the old, crinkled one.
Finally, I suspect the cap on the bottle is the weak point. Take an extra cap in case your tests result in the bottle landing on the cap.
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driftwoody
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Post by driftwoody on Apr 1, 2021 8:40:02 GMT -8
I saw a lot of water going over cliffs in Kentucky earlier this week but that resulted from rain, not tossed containers.
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Post by gabby on Apr 1, 2021 9:19:23 GMT -8
I saw a lot of water going over cliffs in Kentucky earlier this week but that resulted from rain, not tossed containers. You are so funny! :^D Continuing with my reply to tomqvaxy and moving on with a subject I have effectively diverted (a prominent and well known skill of mine), I remember that there are some other good uses for Smartwater bottles that I picked up off of Youtube a while back (sadly, Youtube doesn't date your access to videos in your "save list" (where this particular one resides), so I don't know exactly how long ago I saw it. There was, however, a thread on this forum where I posted it, lo, those many years ago.) As the quotes below attest, not everyone is all that happy with the system outlined in my "old" video, and usually for sound reasons. There are limitations to any system, and only experimentation will determine what's best for you. Bladders aren't always the best choice for me - I prefer a bottle - but they have some strengths, as some have already said. Primary among those for me is a light and compact way to have some "reserve capacity". For camp I carry a Cnoc (3 liter) dirty water bag, and an Evernew 2 liter clean water bag. For dry campsites that can give me up to 6+ liters of water if I need it. I can still set up a gravity filtration system if I need one. The second clan is Sawyer filter with its beverage industry-standard 'C" threads that are the mainstay of much of the Platypus line, Smart Water bottles, specific CNOC bags, and those old 2-liter soda bottles. Only in better or more pristine waters. i have seriously tried the water bottle with Sawyer perched on top...meh. You should read and heed this post by rangewalker : I think it's wise to keep in mind the parameters under which you'll use any given filter system. So, finally, the video showing at least one version of the "CNOC Vecto/Sawyer filter/Sawyer coupler/Smartwater bottle" system. This has become such a popular way to go with the Sawyer Squeeze filter that it's being copied all over Youtube, so you can find endless variations of it by searching for "Sawyer Squeeze Hacks". There are also some variations for the Sawyer Mini. The guy in the following video doesn't mention the CNOC, but it's a great "dirty water bottle" because it opens fully on the back end for scooping, and it's very strong. It also has threads that fit the Sawyer. I put a couple of these together about 2 years ago for my "kit", and stashed them in my "ready box". CNOC strength test - this guy stands on the filled CNOC! He uses a Nalgene for his filtered water. (He also lets his dogs run through the water source, but HYOH.)
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Post by rebeccad on Apr 1, 2021 18:56:00 GMT -8
For me, the big selling point of the bladder was being able to get a little drink every few minutes—I think I have a dry mouth (I know I can have a dry sense of humor). The drawnback for me is that sucking through a bite valve isn’t the most satisfying way to get a drink. My compromise has been to carry a plastic water or soda bottle for in-camp use, and for mixing lemonade—I definitely never put drink mixes in the bladder.
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Post by High Sierra Fan on Apr 1, 2021 19:04:50 GMT -8
I’ve previously carried a 500ml bottle in a small pouch off my hip belt. That way I had simple access to water without a big shift in weight.
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Post by tomqvaxy on Apr 2, 2021 0:51:31 GMT -8
what's old is new again. in CW #1, the man carried a baby bottle for such purposes. whether it was sans nipple, cannot recall.
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Post by driftwoody on Apr 2, 2021 4:29:33 GMT -8
The CNOC Vecto looks like a great solution for scooping, and squeezing or hanging as a gravity filter. Have you used this much in the field? I've been reading a lot of reviews and most are positive, but I keep coming across complaints that it springs leaks or the water derives a bad chemical taste from the bag.
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Post by ErnieW on Apr 2, 2021 4:56:14 GMT -8
I have a CNOC 3L and like it a lot. There was a little new plastic smell when I first got it but that didn't really come through my Sawyer Squeeze. After some use now it has no smell. The plastic the bag is made out of is sort of stretchy not rigid like an Evernew bag. At first it didn't inspire confidence but now it seems like it is a tough bag. No issue yet but I am careful to reduce exposure to pokey things. I still do not put in in my main compartment when filled. I have a hydration sleeve on the outside my pack and it is a good protected place to put it when filled. It is still weird to me to carry dirty water some times. Also as a tip when I have the time at a water filter stop. I try to let the CNOC hang (ready for gravity, cap down) for a bit with its cap on. Then while it is still upside down I loosen the cap so a little some water gushed out. I believe this can get rid of some of the sediment.
P.S. On a general bladder note I never fully fill any bladder.. Water is incompressible so I think you need a little give room. I had a Platypus bag shatter when it was overfilled and I dropped it on the floor. It seemed like all the energy of the fall went fully into the plastic.
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Post by Coolkat on Apr 2, 2021 5:18:13 GMT -8
On gnarly sections, one could loop a piece of twine around the bottle neck if they were concerned it might fall out of the pocket. I've never worried about this until my hike last fall. I sat down to take a break and noticed that one of my nalgene bottles were missing. Whether I lost it on the trail or it came out in the shuttle ride I don't know. But the rest of the hike I made sure that I had one fastened in somehow.
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Post by rebeccad on Apr 2, 2021 6:16:01 GMT -8
The problem I see with fastening in the bottles is that you definitely make it so you can’t drink without stopping and taking off the pack (unless you have a partner who can access it for you). For me that would lead in a direct line to not drinking enough.
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Post by driftwoody on Apr 2, 2021 6:44:56 GMT -8
gabby, your 2nd video featured a gravity feed system that included a Naglene filler cap on a 1 liter Nalgene bottle. I haven't been able to find that accessory online, but since that Nalgene bottle fits well in my Eagle Creek waist pack I'd really like to try that filler cap if still available. Also, has anyone had experience with the Hydroblu Versa filter, which is very similar to the Sawyer Squeeze? I may have to replace my Sawyer because I didn't keep it in a pocket next to my body when I camped Monday night. The forecast for overnight low was mid-40's but temps dropped below freezing, and I'm concerned the filter could be compromised.
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Post by driftwoody on Apr 2, 2021 6:46:39 GMT -8
For me, the big selling point of the bladder was being able to get a little drink every few minutes— Where do you carry it for accessibility while hiking?
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Post by cweston on Apr 2, 2021 6:52:36 GMT -8
I may have to replace my Sawyer because I didn't keep it in a pocket next to my body when I camped Monday night. The forecast for overnight low was mid-40's but temps dropped below freezing, and I'm concerned the filter could be compromised. This is the surest possible way to control the weather. By remembering to bring your filter into the bag with you, you guarantee that the weather will remain above freezing. By forgetting, you guarantee that it will not.
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Post by Coolkat on Apr 2, 2021 7:22:57 GMT -8
The problem I see with fastening in the bottles is that you definitely make it so you can’t drink without stopping and taking off the pack (unless you have a partner who can access it for you). This is true and a good point. Up till then I had never lost a water bottle and the possibility of loosing a 2nd one made me a little paranoid.
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Post by driftwoody on Apr 2, 2021 7:24:38 GMT -8
This is the surest possible way to control the weather. If only if I could turn that power into a million bucks.
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