driftwoody
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Post by driftwoody on Mar 31, 2021 9:51:00 GMT -8
I have an old Eagle Creek waist pack with a main compartment just long enough for a liter Nalgene bottle. That compartment is large enough for a day's worth of trail snacks as well. It has a couple more compartments on the front for organizing small items I may need without taking off my backpack. This old Eagle Creek pack is not ultralight but it's durable and very useful. I wear it loosely around my waist at my right hip, and can swing it behind me if needs be. It rides low, under the hip belt of my Granite Gear Blaze 60. Fortunately I have enough of a glute shelf so it never slips down. It's also very nice to have for a day hike hike from base camp.
The water bottle pockets on my main pack are used for camp sandals, gaiters, and whatever else I might stash there to be handy. A single liter of water is not enough for a daylong trek, so I carry two 64oz Sawyer Squeeze bags. Starting out I can fill one with as much water as I need to drink the first day (in addition to the Nalgene liter). After that, they're both "dirty water" carriers I can fill at a water source and filter at camp. So far I haven't needed the 2nd bag, but it's nice to have in case the first one breaks. They reside inside the top of my main pack, close to my back.
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Post by markskor on Mar 31, 2021 12:30:10 GMT -8
Carrying water - Sierra? Many different strategies here...a few of the responses gave me pause. I find almost everything about bladders a PITA Tried them and have to agree...way more trouble than worth. I do carry a gravity filter/3 liter dirty water bag but only gets wet/used campside. I have reused a water bottle hundreds of times, but replace them once a year Big fan of liter waterbottles too…carry two in side pockets held below my hip belt (a Gregory backpack design - holster-like?)...important to have easy access without taking off the backpack. Could be one or both filled depending on the day’s activities. With the plethora of h2o bottles available at local supermarkets...always get new bottles before every big trip. Clean...Sanitary…Adventurous (Call me a wild man!). On gnarly sections, one could loop a piece of twine around the bottle neck if they were concerned it might fall out of the pocket. I use a short loop of elastic twine (any good gear shop) sewn over the top sides of my bottle holsters...wraps around/over H20 bottle mouths... Secure. Discovered long ago, a quick way to lose half a pound...ditched the Nalgene for liter water bottles.
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Post by ErnieW on Mar 31, 2021 12:48:34 GMT -8
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Post by High Sierra Fan on Mar 31, 2021 13:01:12 GMT -8
^light, heat, time^
Hmmm. So my expectation? Put boiling water into the bottle and maintain the heat plus light for weeks? Then take a sample and run it through a mass spectrometer that can detect parts per billion. Report out whatever chemical you detect without reference to amount and yell from there.
Rationalizing it’s a ‘worse case scenario’ to err on the side of caution. Instead of acknowledging it’s nowhere close to a real world scenario.
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driftwoody
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Post by driftwoody on Mar 31, 2021 13:26:16 GMT -8
quick way to lose half a pound...ditched the Nalgene for liter water bottles Given that the Nalgene 1 liter bottle weighs 3.5 ounces, can you tell me where to find a replacement that weighs negative 4.5 ounces?
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reuben
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Post by reuben on Mar 31, 2021 13:54:17 GMT -8
quick way to lose half a pound...ditched the Nalgene for liter water bottles Given that the Nalgene 1 liter bottle weighs 3.5 ounces, can you tell me where to find a replacement that weighs negative 4.5 ounces? Look up the old dehydrated water thread. You'll find the answer there.
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Post by bluefish on Mar 31, 2021 14:10:47 GMT -8
Not to be a jerk, but I went through this awhile ago. Nalgene from their website and several others, says 6.25 oz. for the standard 32 oz. and change. (same as my scale) nalgene.com/product/32oz-wide-mouth-bottle/?attribute_pa_color=surfer&attribute_pa_filter-color=blue#product-description-anchor If you replace 2 of those with the more compact 2000 ml Evernew, you will gain some oz.s and your water container will weigh 1.5 oz. gaining you , not 1/2, but 3/4 of a pound. It's one of the cheapest weight savings, and well worth it, IMO. The store bought water bottles are very light, no more Than an Evernew I would venture. I posted this today, rather than tomorrow when I would have to calculate dehydrated vs rehydrated weight. I like the Evernews because they are easy to squeeze as a dirty bag, the threads are perfect for my Sawyer mini, and they fold up smaller than a deck of cards when empty, making them perfect for a water carry mid-trip.
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Post by reuben on Mar 31, 2021 14:33:56 GMT -8
Yeah, for what it's worth I typically use 2L Evernews and a Sawyer filter for hydrated water. Dehydrated goes in a quart Ziploc, but something smaller would suffice.
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Post by texasbb on Mar 31, 2021 14:46:04 GMT -8
I'm sure @reuben was referring to a real Nalgene at 3.75 oz. Why anyone would buy those hard brittle ones is a mystery to me.
Edit: Oops, I misattributed that...it was driftwoody.
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driftwoody
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Post by driftwoody on Mar 31, 2021 14:48:26 GMT -8
6.25 oz. for the standard 32 oz That's the hard bottle, which is heavier than the product I linked to.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 31, 2021 15:01:30 GMT -8
I have been a bladder user (Platypus) for years, but just recently made the changeover to bottles.
but let me explain why I REALLY LIKED using a bladder for so long.
1) Drinking convenience- I liked just grabbing the hose and getting a drink whenever I wanted.
2) Filling convenience - I never removed it from my pack to fill it. I can't understand why so may went through the hassle of removing the bladder to fill it. This bladder had a removable bite valve, it clicks into a shutoff valve. I purchased fittings that allowed me to make a connector between my Sawyer filter and the bladder. if I felt I needed a refill, I'd just fill my dirty water bag, attach the Sawyer, click it into the bladder hose and fill away. 3) Camp convenience - using the filler fittings, I'd just set up a gravity filter and it would be done by the time I set up camp. For meals I'd hang the bag in a tree over my head (east coast - PLENTY of trees!) and instant faucet. Just open the shutoff valve for exactly how much water I needed and done. Nice for hand washing too.
4 Cleaning - I cheated. I have an extra nail-gun compressor in the basement, and just blew any moisture out of the hose and bladder before storage. Never had a problem with mold.
So why am I changing?
1) I never really knew just how much water was in the thing. I'd guess and top it off now and then. Got pretty good at not running too low, but sometimes I had too much! Well OFTEN I had too much. and having a 3 liter bag, it got heavy if I overfilled it.
3) Weight - and this is the primary reason. The whole setup was almost 10 ounces. a couple smartwater bottles is about 2.
Current setup - I'm using two 700ml bottles. One is in a Justin's water bottle holster that attaches to my shoulder strap.
the other is in a side pocket. For camp I carry a Cnoc (3 liter) dirty water bag, and an Evernew 2 liter clean water bag. For dry campsites that can give me up to 6+ liters of water if I need it. I can still set up a gravity filtration system if I need one.
After a couple trips, I like the setup so far, and I really get why so many abandoned bladders for bottles, It's lighter, you know exactly how much water you're drinking, and how much you have. I don't mind stopping a bit more often to refill. Lets me see more, and that's why I head for the woods anyway!
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Post by tomqvaxy on Mar 31, 2021 15:11:57 GMT -8
fwiw: when i thought my day hike bag could be contained by a Tom Binn medium cafe bag, i purchased one of these: www.memobottle.us/products/a6-memobottleit's been fine for jaunts up until now, but i'm liking the Smartwater bottle trick.
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Post by rangewalker on Mar 31, 2021 17:46:43 GMT -8
I gave up. Even for me I quit trying to find one type or brand of water carriers. Too many different packs with their own adaptations. The only constant has been at least one Lexan Nalgene one liter that handles weird drinks and mixes and cleans up well. in winter 2 stainless steel Kleen Kanteens. I have two competing tribes, governed by which water filter and treatment system I am using. There is the Nalgene clan lead by my old MSR Mini-works pump filter that handles ugly water better, is repairable, and works with all things Nalgene thread. Including bladders. The biggest pro, easy cleaning, and the filter is serviceable. The second clan is Sawyer filter with its beverage industry-standard 'C" threads that are the mainstay of much of the Platypus line, Smart Water bottles, specific CNOC bags, and those old 2-liter soda bottles. Only in better or more pristine waters. i have seriously tried the water bottle with Sawyer perched on top...meh. UGLY WATER
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Post by gabby on Mar 31, 2021 18:21:18 GMT -8
Good info from someone I judge to be "well-traveled". Much as I suspected. I really like your picture. :^) re: Smartwater bottles. i remember poland springs were not designed to be reused because of something having to do with bad taste or chemical reaction to the water, but it was almost 20 years ago and i'm a bit foggy on the "why" at this point. Q: are there no ill effects of refilling/ multiple times use of the SM bottle? no BPA stuff to contend? just use them until they burst? Maybe this is why I'm dying! :^) I use Smartwater bottles exclusively for walking around the neighborhood. I've used the same bottle for years. I don't formally track how long, but I suspect the last time I retired a bottle, it was 3 or 4 years old - that's with daily use, but only one use a day. Most of the time, it being Texas and fairly hot in the summer, I freeze them before use, add water when I get home (about 1/3 full) and then refreeze them. Yes, they'll develop some "wrinkles" after a while, especially since I'm using a 700ml bottle with a flip cap for drinking on the fly and squeeze to drink out of them. I'll retire them if I think they're about to crack from the wrinkling. But I have yet to be forced to get rid of one, though I've taken one or two "out of service" when the "wrinkles" became too widespread in the middle of the bottle. I have a 2L Smartwater bottle I've used since at least 2011, carrying it in the car, in my pack on overnights and as my "back yard reservoir" for back patio stove use for breakfast in the morning. It's still going, but it doesn't get the same level of use as the little bottles - I don't squeeze it to get the water out. I have reused a water bottle hundreds of times, but replace them once a year just out of my own concerns about them becoming cracked or brittle. Haven't had one burst on me yet. I haven't even had one get brittle enough to crack, though crazed with "wrinkles" - and that's even though I'm freezing and refreezing them daily. Still, best to err on the side of caution. However, I suspect that a Smartwater bottle will easily last as long as a weeklong trip if you don't throw it over cliffs daily.
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Post by tomqvaxy on Apr 1, 2021 0:40:29 GMT -8
a Smartwater bottle will easily last as long as a weeklong trip if you don't throw it over cliffs daily. is that "a thing" with you experienced walkers? i'm kinda a rube . . .
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