mk
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Post by mk on Oct 7, 2020 12:03:51 GMT -8
My daughter's boyfriend broke his collarbone several years ago, and it was pulled back together with plates and screws, all of which he will have forever. He enjoys hiking and camping, but has a difficult time with the backpack straps hitting and rubbing the area. Even a small, lightweight daypack is a problem. We would love to get him backpacking, but am not sure he'll be able to carry a backpack.
Any ideas or thoughts on ways to work around this? We'd love to get him backpacking!
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Post by zeke on Oct 7, 2020 12:50:32 GMT -8
I broke my collarbone in the 8th grade, but not as severely. I fear until he finds a pack he can tolerate, backpacking won't be any fun for him. It isn't like an S strap will help if his issue is the repaired area of his collarbone. The plates and screws will always irritate his skin when any sort of strap crosses over them.
If I was faced with such an impediment after having discovered a love for backpacking, I'd try all sorts of things to pad the plates, as I can only imagine it is the rubbing across the plates that causes the problem. Towels placed under the straps. Large pieces of blue closed cell pad under the straps(likely very hot and sweaty).
Perhaps the packs he has used or tried on are not fitted properly. There is supposed to be 2 fingers of gap between the strap and the top of the shoulder. That might not help where the strap crosses the collarbone, but it's a place to start.
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Post by bobcat on Oct 7, 2020 14:17:21 GMT -8
It will depend on a lot of things, but I would pay attention to the hip belt fit. Get the Weight off the shoulder strap. For a light daypack, maybe even use a hip belt and one shoulder strap. Ten years ago, I had surgery on my shoulder and collarbone and the first time I put a pack on, months afterward, I still had pain from the shoulder strap.
Have you ever considered canoeing or kayaking?
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Post by texasbb on Oct 7, 2020 20:15:13 GMT -8
I'd experiment with some strips of padding attached to the shoulder strap so they lay along each side of the bone (parallel to the bone, which would be roughly perpendicular to the shoulder strap). The idea is to raise the shoulder strap so it passes over the bone without putting pressure on it, or even touching it if that's necessary.
I did something like that to help a hiker in my group who had a bad boot bruising her leg just above the ankle. I made two little rolls of gauze and taped them on either side of the tendon above the ankle bone so that the collar of the boot pushed on those instead of the tendon. Worked like a charm.
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Post by bradmacmt on Oct 7, 2020 20:33:41 GMT -8
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Post by texasbb on Oct 7, 2020 20:55:27 GMT -8
Those might do the trick if you cut the middle out of them so there's a slot for the collar bone to go through.
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Post by trinity on Oct 8, 2020 5:58:50 GMT -8
This may be way off base, but I wonder if an external frame pack might work better. I haven't worn such a pack in about 25 years, but it seems to me that the rigid external frame and the higher weight distribution do a better job of transferring the load to one's hips. The frame also keeps the packbag further off the wearer's back, which might be more comfortable (I've never broken a collarbone, so I'm not sure what areas of pressure are causing a problem).
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Post by bradmacmt on Oct 8, 2020 6:25:17 GMT -8
I wonder if an external frame pack might work better.
I’ve had the same thought. My wife has a protruding collarbone on her right shoulder. It’s from birth, and gives her trouble backpacking. I’ve thought about getting her a Seek Outside external, but I’m not really certain it would make any difference. Really, most current internal frame packs are just external frames cleverly disguised as internals. The frames are fixed (stays are not customizable), and are essentially on the outside of the pack. They basically act like an external (as long as they are appropriately sized to the wearer). I did make a lambswool cushion for my wife. I cut a piece to size and sewed on a 2” wide piece of Velcro to secure it. It really helps. I’m going to order the Zpacks set I linked above and see how those do too.
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Post by JRinGeorgia on Oct 8, 2020 7:51:01 GMT -8
I think the remedy is to keep weight off the collarbone rather than try to pad against it (though that may help too). So a good hip belt fit will transfer weight to the hips, and good load lifters will pull the shoulder straps more up and away from the collarbone.
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Post by texasbb on Oct 8, 2020 9:02:13 GMT -8
I think the remedy is to keep weight off the collarbone rather than try to pad against it (though that may help too). So a good hip belt fit will transfer weight to the hips, and good load lifters will pull the shoulder straps more up and away from the collarbone. A good hip belt, frame, and lifters are definitely the place to start, but that's true even with normal collar bones. :-)
My suggestion above is 100% about getting weight (even touch) off the collar bone. The use of pads (spacers really) is to lift the pack strap over the bone so that whatever pressure (even touch) would have been on the bone is instead on the body on either side of the bone.
My old break doesn't bother me anymore, but there is still a small bump. For several years after it healed even a seat belt shoulder harness draped lightly across the bone would be bothersome, so I can definitely understand a pack strap causing trouble, even on a well fitting pack.
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Post by mk on Oct 8, 2020 13:44:47 GMT -8
Thank you all so much for your suggestions and ideas. We did talk about the hip belt and transferring weight, but I wasn't sure if there was more to try. Your suggestion, texasbb , of perpendicular pads to get the weight off makes sense to me, as well. Because while weight on the collarbone is an issue, so is the rubbing - plates and screws are right under the skin surface and are easily irritated. They are talking about renting a house, bobcat , so they can get a canoe and/or kayak(s). Right now, they don't have storage space, but I can definitely see this as a possibility for my daughter and her boyfriend.
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Post by bradmacmt on Oct 8, 2020 14:16:29 GMT -8
I think the remedy is to keep weight off the collarbone rather than try to pad against it (though that may help too). So a good hip belt fit will transfer weight to the hips, and good load lifters will pull the shoulder straps more up and away from the collarbone. Since (because of my wife) I've been studying this issue for decades, I can assure you that while it is absolutely critical to have properly functioning load lifters (30-45* angle), and weight on the hips, it's impossible for the shoulder straps not to contact the protruding collarbone - and there in, both figuratively and literally, is the rub. So while the two points you make are indeed important, they will absolutely not cure all (or even most) of the problem.
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Post by trinity on Oct 8, 2020 17:54:42 GMT -8
Really, most current internal frame packs are just external frames cleverly disguised as internals. The frames are fixed (stays are not customizable), and are essentially on the outside of the pack. They basically act like an external (as long as they are appropriately sized to the wearer). I don't disagree. But it seems to me that a significant difference is that the packbag on an external frame rides higher, and is entirely above the hips, as opposed to an internal frame, where the bag typically rides lower. Seems to me that the higher ride would more effectively transfer the load to the hips. But I could be wrong, like I said I haven't actually worn an external frame pack in a very long time.
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Post by trinity on Oct 8, 2020 17:56:39 GMT -8
They are talking about renting a house, bobcat , so they can get a canoe and/or kayak(s). Right now, they don't have storage space, but I can definitely see this as a possibility for my daughter and her boyfriend. Having just returned from a 6 day outing into the Boundary Waters, I certainly think this would be a great option.
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Post by ErnieW on Nov 3, 2020 10:51:42 GMT -8
I was just wondering if you could make football like shoulder pads that you wear under your shirt then put the pack on. Something that has relief for the collarbone and transfers weight to shoulders around them. Not an ultralight solution though.
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