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Post by High Sierra Fan on Jul 6, 2015 13:01:07 GMT -8
I'll trying keeping everything warmer. Of course the other aspect is it's probable the water itself is starting out far colder, which is going to add to the time to boil.
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Post by tigger on Jul 6, 2015 14:03:59 GMT -8
Yeah. I use my WhiteBox year round (have for quite a few years now) in temps down to 0 regularly. I put mine on my snow shovel and use it like normal. It does seem to take a few more seconds to "flicker" but once it does, it's business as usual.
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Post by rebeccad on Jul 6, 2015 21:25:54 GMT -8
Since the pot would already be hot, I would think 2 boils would be more efficient. The added water would cool the pot by absorbing some heat. Another thought would be to use a small solar shower to warm the water, if you have time in camp or someone to carry the water in the shower bag, on top of their pack. I will go off to the physics lab to see which is more efficient, 1 big pot or 2 boils.ETA: As it turns out, pure science says it is exactly the same, 1 pot or 2. Same amount of water needs to get to boiling. WB stoves are optimal for 1- 1.5L pots. Bigger than that and the reservoir is too small, requiring a refill. If Rebecca needs a second WB, she can borrow mine. A valid point. But size and shape of pot can matter, and there is a small amount of extra fuel burned to minimal effect each time you start the stove. But two stoves/2 pots may be reasonable. And if we really have 3 teenaged boys along, they can carry them.
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Post by sqwib on Jul 7, 2015 7:53:10 GMT -8
I tried using the Alky stoves and have had more problems than most folks do. My final decision to ditch my alcohol stove was when I lifted the pot and said, where the hell did my stove go...it was stuck to the bottom of the pot. Talus, No hijack noted, I haven't received my BRS 3000T yet but most folks are saying it's less of a "Torch" than the FMS300T, which I currently have. Switching to a White Box Stove and packing in 4 oz. of fuel would only save me 2.5 oz. in weight. I do like the fact of packing in Grain Alcohol and drinking what I don't use for cooking. I do cook on a fire whenever I can. I really wanted to go the "alcohol" route but for me the canister stove is the best choice, now what to do with my 15+ alcohol stoves. :D I guess anythings better than what I use to use.
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Post by panatomicx on Jul 7, 2015 10:27:49 GMT -8
Just remember, also, that flames from spilled alcohol can't be seen in the sunlight. That's why they can be tricky in high fire areas. When I do use my White box stove it works great.
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Post by RumiDude on Jul 7, 2015 12:54:36 GMT -8
Heet is methanol while denatured alcohol is ethanol with a little bit of methanol added to make it undrinkable. Ethanol produces more calories than does methanol.
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Post by RumiDude on Jul 7, 2015 14:06:33 GMT -8
I like the weight of the stove and may have to give it a look simply because it is so inexpensive. If nothing else, it would be a spare stove to take occasionally. I only wonder about it's effecientcy and such. I want to use less fuel as well as have a very light stove.
BTW, because of the short length, one needs to be cautious when adjusting the flame.
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Post by mocs123 on Jul 7, 2015 18:43:22 GMT -8
I recommend the Caldera Cone if you decide to go alcohol. I find that it is more efficient than most alcohol stoves. I can consistently boil 12-16oz of water on 15mL of fuel.
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Post by sqwib on Jul 8, 2015 4:42:57 GMT -8
I recommend the Caldera Cone if you decide to go alcohol. I find that it is more efficient than most alcohol stoves. I can consistently boil 12-16oz of water on 15mL of fuel. If I ever did make the switch to alcohol, that would be my first choice.
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Post by BigLoad on Jul 8, 2015 8:36:31 GMT -8
I love my Caldera Cone. The extra initial fuel weight for alcohol doesn't bother me, I calculate more for average across the whole trip. The fuel container weight is also much nicer.
Anyway, I'm curious to see how you like the BRS3000T. For trips where I need to use a canister, I'd love to have something that light.
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Post by rebeccad on Jul 8, 2015 8:53:13 GMT -8
Just remember, also, that flames from spilled alcohol can't be seen in the sunlight. That's why they can be tricky in high fire areas. When I do use my White box stove it works great. I am very, very careful with the alcohol because of that. And generally, as in your photo, set my stove up on bare rock. I see you are using a coffee pot with the stove--def. less than 6" across. How does that work for you? When I do that, I end up with flames going up the sides--not maximum efficiency. Usually, also, I have the windscreen much tighter around my pot.
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Post by panatomicx on Jul 8, 2015 17:24:06 GMT -8
Rebecca-That's a Snowpeak titanium pot. It seems to work well, but 100% of my cooking is just boiling water.
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Post by mocs123 on Jul 11, 2015 19:15:16 GMT -8
I just did a comparison between my Caldera Cone and Snow Peak Gigapower for an 11 day trip and the Caldera Cone was lighter than the Gigapower even at the start of the trip.
I only boil water once a day but it would have to be about 14 days out before the canister would be lighter than the alcohol stove.
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Post by sqwib on Sept 25, 2015 8:24:52 GMT -8
Just a follow up to my original post. Finally got out to use the BRS300T on the trail.
The pattern of the flame is wider than anticipated due to the way the burner is made, the flame sort of spirals out a bit. I try to do most of my cooking on the fire but at times need the stove. Like my last trip. I love this stove and the weight of the stove and fuel for a three day trip is around 7oz. I bring a 100 gram canister that is more than enough.
Here's a little video of my cook kit, it's small and under a pound and this includes fuel. I'm very satisfied with the kit thus far.
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Post by tigger on Sept 25, 2015 12:11:53 GMT -8
As stated, I use my WhiteBox stove year round in temps down to 0. Other than what I put my stove on, no major difference. Just making sure it is off the surface of snow/ice (I use my snow shovel) so that the vapor process works correctly. Otherwise, I just use a touch more fuel in winter because the water often has chunks of ice floating in it. I don't do anything special with the fuel in regards to warming it. It is stored in my pack until use.
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