jazzmom
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Post by jazzmom on Apr 10, 2020 8:06:36 GMT -8
How would everyone feel if you had to provide a recent clear antibody test result in order the park and/or get trail permits? I'm OK with that. In fact, I would like to have access to testing. To me, it's no different from having to have vaccination records to send kids to school. I think it would put everyone at ease if my workplace provided access to testing when they open up the office again.
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Post by BigLoad on Apr 10, 2020 8:52:44 GMT -8
Sounds like the administration is really planning to start reopening the economy in May NJ could be a week or two from the peak. Maybe 4-7 weeks from the trough. If we go back to business as usual when we hit the trough, we'll be right back where we are now in three more months.
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Post by balzaccom on Apr 10, 2020 9:17:56 GMT -8
I have a feeling that some people in the administration are drawing to an inside straight--hoping that vaccines or effective medications will be available in time before that happens.
And if it doesn't, you are absolutely right.
Drawing to an inside straight is a bad strategy in poker.
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Post by davesenesac on Apr 10, 2020 9:54:43 GMT -8
My last two days of skiing were 5 weeks ago on March 4/5. Since then have not even driven more than a few miles away to buy groceries except Tuesday when I drove 200 miles total delivering masks to 5 relatives and did so without stopping not going into stores. I do get outside to street hike for exercise at least a little almost every day. I did float doing some backcountry fresh powder skiing that was a strong temptation that have resisted and have floated driving regionally within an hour for rural hiking, however to this point have just street hiked from my residence locally.
Now as things have settled down more with most outside now understanding health orders, am likely to start driving more to local mountainous areas to hike. Am very familiar with obscure local areas to hike that will have few others and know how to do day road trips without needing to stop except for gas that is easy to do safely. California has received several storms over this last 4 weeks and what had turned landscapes brown from 7 weeks of no storms is now green and increasingly flowery that makes being outdoors for exercise much more appealing.
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Post by BorderCollieMike on Apr 10, 2020 10:15:09 GMT -8
Today our local national forests jointly announced the closure of all developed campgrounds and developed recreation sites. They went on to say all undeveloped areas of the forests remain open to dispersed recreation. This gives me a green light to travel a few hours to remote trailheads for a solo trip. Saw our first glacier lily of the year this morning! Must be Easter.
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Post by BigLoad on Apr 10, 2020 11:28:51 GMT -8
Drawing to an inside straight is a bad strategy in poker. And I don't think the odds are nearly that good.
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Post by texasbb on Apr 10, 2020 14:06:53 GMT -8
If we go back to business as usual when we hit the trough, we'll be right back where we are now in three more months. But staying in lockdown isn't much of an option either. We're pretty sure it'll work, it'll just take a year or two. In that time, we'll cease to exist as a free country. We have to do something to get the healthy population immune. A vaccine is 1-2 years away, so the only real options are finding a reliable theraputic or starting to let this thing spread to healthy folks while we isolate/protect the high-risk folks. That's my take.
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Post by ErnieW on Apr 10, 2020 14:26:44 GMT -8
Sorry if I sound like a broken record but widely available testing combined with the labor resources to track down contact chains is essential to at least lightening the lock downs.
Unfortunately I also agree a vaccine is at least a year away. Anyone thinking you are going to have a football season with packed stadiums this fall is not thinking clearly.
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Post by BigLoad on Apr 10, 2020 15:11:40 GMT -8
so the only real options are finding a reliable theraputic or starting to let this thing spread to healthy folks while we isolate/protect the high-risk folks. That could happen, but plenty of young, healthy folks are going pay the ultimate price. The mystery of why the coronavirus kills some young people
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Post by swmtnbackpacker on Apr 10, 2020 16:47:29 GMT -8
Think the WH has now delayed any national reopening for awhile into late spring/summer, so states are starting to plan their own reopenings and maybe blocs of adjacent US states/neighboring Canadian provinces. The NFs and NPs seem to be cooperating with their state and county health regs on trailheads, parking, etc..
The big problem for travelers (including any long distance hike) would be transportation and sit down restaurants for any pre/post-hike breaks. Their workers would come first and likely cleared by some sort of locally produced infection/antibody test would be required (every state will likely promote their medical university’s or biotech’s version). Would they accept out of state “clearance” in the absence of any national standard is a real question until a vaccine is readied.
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Post by davesenesac on Apr 10, 2020 17:14:36 GMT -8
Thru hikers would need to be logistically independent of local regional towns. Even California locals that expected to play the sectional trail game, would not be able to do so independently without a support team able to support such with road day trips from supplies just in their local urban county.
On the other hand, out and back day hiking and overnight backpacks, especially for regional drive to people, is still a valid kind of leisure activity that ought not affect those who don't need to use anything more than gasoline on the road. In other words no stopping for food and other goods, and that especially means alcohol. Some of us especially guys have no trouble not ever having to use restrooms beyond urban regions. But most people would need to use public restrooms that may only be open at gasoline stations and not fastfood restaurants that may well be closed. To use public restrooms one would need to use a mask. Also oversized gloves easy to slip on and off that one would use to hold gas pumps. After use, chuck it in the V bag. So its not like just any style of hiking or backpacking logistics would be acceptable. Figure it out. Be smart.
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Post by davesenesac on Apr 10, 2020 17:30:57 GMT -8
An interesting thought I had was, what if 2 people from different residences that knew each other were planning a day trip to do together. Not 2 people living out in rural areas but like most of us, urban working people (well seniors too haha) where the virus has already been around at. By going on a multiple person trip there is a range of confidences one might have with the other party(s) not being contagious. The less one knows that person(s), the less that might be. I'd likely be near the extreme of those others might trust however have have much less confidence in others some of which I've observed myself since I've been walking local urban street observing others, visiting supermarkets, reading media reports, and making inputs on a few boards like this. I think I could explain to others why I'm safe and would be sure to asks others what they have been doing, especially in supermarkets. And note I live in a county with 147 deaths so far. As a single guy, I have to admit there are a lot of other stranger single females I would go on a dual trip with even if they sounded rather exposed.
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Post by whistlepunk on Apr 10, 2020 17:46:33 GMT -8
One of the advantages of living rural.
My county has yet to see its first case, and I can walk to the end of my block and be in the forest. I personally do not see it as a problem. Those condemned to live in urban areas have a different set of considerations, and I can sympathize. The downside is so much of the forest is still inaccessible due to snow.
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Post by swimswithtrout on Apr 10, 2020 21:42:04 GMT -8
You can travel whenever you want...Hike off trail by yourself !!
And in the meantime, Covid only has a mortality rate of 1-2%......The entire Planet has been shut down for nothing
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Post by BigLoad on Apr 10, 2020 22:16:02 GMT -8
You can travel whenever you want...Hike off trail by yourself !! And in the meantime, Covid only has a mortality rate of 1-2%......The entire Planet has been shut down for nothing Mortality rate is in that range with treatment. How much is it without treatment? And are there enough hospital beds and equipment to keep up? There are plenty of hospitals in NJ diverting patients because they're at capacity. The survival rate for people who go on ventilator has been reported as 50%. As of today, there have been three COVID deaths for every COVID patient discharged from the hospital in NJ after recovering.
It looked like nothing here, too, for two or three months. Then it went from 50 cases to 50,000 in three weeks. If it hadn't been shut down (when it was doubling every 2-3 days), it would have been half a million by now and four million in another 6-9 days.
Some places shut down soon enough that it will never get as bad, but that is only because they did shut down.
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