leafwalker
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Post by leafwalker on Mar 27, 2020 8:02:15 GMT -8
Wife and I are really torn on this. We still have our reservations for June and beyond, but plan on decisions two or three weeks out for them. All (6 last year) involve at least a 12 hour car ride. As to closer to home (one tank of gas round trip) we still are not certain. Like to go to an area two hiurs south to hike and see early spring bloom, but it doesn't feel right especially since the one small city (20,000 - large for here) is on lockdown.
Here in MO they will close the state park campgrounds as of Monday (we do not use). In Illinois, which is near by, they have closed all state parks and conservation areas period.
It'll be interesting how this plays out during spring turkey season beginning mid April when the rural areas around here get swamped with out of area hunters to hunt (many from St Louis three hours south) in conservation areas and farm properties and stay in the very few motels or camp in conservation area (gets real crowded).
In an area we frequent in Wisconsin the local town has told out of area people to stay away including those who have cabins.
In Buena Vista, CO we were going to stay at a motel before hiking (late July/early August) a long route in the mountains, but the motel owner wrote and said she hoped they'd be open by August as the county has closed all motels and other lodging.
Seems trivial with all the suffering and with the ineptness at 3600 P Ave.
Be careful and good health to you, yours, and all.
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Post by autumnmist on Mar 27, 2020 9:13:16 GMT -8
Another thing Dr Fauci brings up is travel will likely lead to an uptick in cases again (note: China will be observed first as they recovered first So this virus may bounce back and forth until a vaccine is distributed. I think these address the central issues: whether there can be reoccurrences, either from travel sources, or from folks already here, whether or not the pandemic seems to have ended. A vaccine could also be an issue, especially for those who weren't infected. A vaccine seems to be only in a discussion stage and probably couldn't progress more fully while the threat risk is so high. There's also the unknown factor of what antibodies might have developed, and how strong and effective they are. And I don't think the medical community is able at this time to address antibody development and the level to which it might protect against another infection.
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Post by High Sierra Fan on Mar 27, 2020 14:49:29 GMT -8
A Vaccine went, or is days from going, into human testing already. We redesign the influenza vaccine every year in months, this is doable. The faster improvement will be from existing anti virals, ideally something already approved for other diseases so it’s safety was pre established. There’s a couple of those being studied. Since an effective vaccine will be ignored by too many people an effective treatment for those who get acutely ill is necessary in any event. ETA: A five minute (13 minutes for a negative)!point of treatment test has just been FDA approved. www.cnbc.com/2020/03/27/abbott-receives-approval-for-test-that-can-detect-coronavirus-in-as-little-as-5-minutes.htmlProgress.
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Post by balzaccom on Mar 27, 2020 15:19:24 GMT -8
VALLEJO, Calif. — March 26, 2020. USDA Forest Service appreciates the public’s interest in outdoor recreation, particularly in light of current events. The Pacific Southwest Region of the Forest Service, in response to the recent statewide shelter-in-place order issued by the Governor of California, is joining the cause to aggressively mitigate the spread of COVID-19 by closing developed recreation facilities on our National Forests statewide.
“Developed recreation sites” refers to designated recreational use areas designed to facilitate public use. Information on individual recreation sites and opportunities are available from local National Forests.
Closures of developed recreation facilities are being put in place until at least April 30th in an attempt to avoid groups of people and promote social distancing of staying more than six feet apart.
While designated recreation sites will be closed, the general Forest area including the extensive trail system will remain open and available to the public. Hiking and walking outdoors are widely considered beneficial to maintaining one’s health. It is the intent of USDA Forest Service to maintain trail access to the extent practicable.
Please keep health, safety and the environment in mind when visiting National Forests. Your personal responsibility is critical to ensuring public safety and preventing further restrictions. We ask that you consider whether your personal participation in outdoor recreation at this time would pose an unnecessary risk to others as we all work together to flatten the curve and slow the spread of COVID-19. We appreciate your cooperation in keeping our National Forests safe and healthy for everyone’s use.
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Post by absarokanaut on Mar 28, 2020 7:06:38 GMT -8
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Post by swmtnbackpacker on Mar 28, 2020 10:38:12 GMT -8
Many mountain towns already have it though (following Mono and Inyo counties myself as I had a backpack planned there later in the summer) and looking at a virus distribution map a week ago, it seemed to follow road corridors regardless.
Some actually have a higher per capita of “confirmed” cases than some spread out cities, though I think they’ll need to look at the neighborhood level ASAP if a federal Easter reopening is contemplated. Think they are only starting to look at a test to see if people were previously exposed w/any immunity. There are clear swathes, but that’s probably a bunch of wheat fields..
Interestingly the Los Angeles mayor forbade residents from going back and forth from vacation homes, so I don’t think the big cities are pushing people (and money) out.
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Post by swmtnbackpacker on Mar 28, 2020 14:59:33 GMT -8
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Post by crawford on Mar 28, 2020 16:52:28 GMT -8
I'm in the process of dropping 2 weekend hikes for Narrow Path, the backpacking program through my church that many folks here helped me get off the ground last year. The early June and early July are getting dropped. Will create a later July and am keeping the later August and early September on the books for now. I'm really torn but with 6 hikers and 2 guides out together it isn't the most socially responsible thing to have these early ones.
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Post by burntfoot on Mar 29, 2020 7:09:41 GMT -8
People here are upset about second-home owners from places like Texas that are coming here instead of staying at their primary residence.
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Post by swmtnbackpacker on Mar 29, 2020 12:30:08 GMT -8
People here are upset about second-home owners from places like Texas that are coming here instead of staying at their primary residence. Think that’s a story from around the country or perhaps even around the world. The real estate industry would fight tooth and nail to keep primary residence info secret though.
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Post by High Sierra Fan on Mar 29, 2020 19:16:06 GMT -8
Second homes are easily enough solved. The locals just buy them at fair market value under eminent domain.
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Post by BigLoad on Mar 29, 2020 19:55:53 GMT -8
It's hard to think that far ahead. I'm more concerned about being able to find food for two months instead of two weeks. I figure that's about when the folks in NJ will be allowed out. It might be about that way on the west coast, too. I figure the mountain states will be 4-6 weeks after that.
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Post by High Sierra Fan on Mar 29, 2020 22:11:56 GMT -8
Groceries and other things ( medicines) are exempt from my county’s stay in place order. The PA governor for, at the moment, seven counties. “STAY AT HOME, unless You, your family or pets need medicine, medical supplies or are visiting a healthcare professional You need groceries, or are delivering meals or other life-sustaining services to others You are walking, hiking or running AT LEAST SIX FEET AWAY FROM OTHERS You work for a business that is classified as life-sustaining (essential) You are traveling to care for a family member or pet in another household You are traveling to or from your school to receive materials for distance learning, meals, or any other related service You are traveling by law enforcement or court order You are traveling back home outside of the County.”
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Post by ErnieW on Mar 30, 2020 4:38:08 GMT -8
It's hard to think that far ahead. I'm more concerned about being able to find food for two months instead of two weeks. I figure that's about when the folks in NJ will be allowed out. It might be about that way on the west coast, too. I figure the mountain states will be 4-6 weeks after that. I believe for the most part, because of their supply line simplicity, produce, milk, cheese and meat will likely continue fairly uninterrupted. Individual processed food may be affected but overall will continue to make it to the shelves. There may be a time when the hoarder bubble catches up with itself and there may be a temporary abundance of processed foods. For us right now there is no thing as fresh bread. I can get it but we let it sit for 2 days before eating it. Hopefully the bakers follow health rules but case they don't the wait reduces the chance of viable virus on the bread. I actually have a LOT of coffee beans stashed. That has a long complicated supply chain that is international. I feel that will likely experience breaks. There will be food but maybe not the instant gratification of your favor brands. It might become a question as to whether to risk exposure to get it soon with the number of infections rising so much.
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Post by swmtnbackpacker on Mar 31, 2020 5:40:54 GMT -8
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