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Post by Lamebeaver on Jan 22, 2019 15:18:37 GMT -8
A stove and fuel is for boiling water Boiling water takes a lot of fuel. Most of us carry a water filter instead.
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Post by High Sierra Fan on Jan 22, 2019 15:18:48 GMT -8
Five miles in an entire day? Okay then. To the OP No and no (lower 48). As an extra: the max I’ve gone carrying my own food backpacking has been fifteen days in a nice curving route across the Sierra for something over 130 miles. Views I’d find nowhere else, photos that are awesome. Little climbing so it was safely doable solo (and yes I did drop ten pounds or so). Great places. Today with lighter gear it’d be even more accessible. In my experience good topographic maps lay out a version of the landscape: match the contours I see around me to the maps depiction and there I am: no cross bearings necesssry. But in routes that short even the simple compass bearing back the way I’d just come would do the trick: as It has many times as I dayhike randomly around looking for good photos and then as daylight gets short: head more directly back, not really knowing where I am, but pretty much knowing where I want to go, focusing in as I get closer. For water I carry a filter with tablet backup. swimswithtrout sigh, now I’m hungry.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 22, 2019 15:26:34 GMT -8
Frankly, I practice bush craft for ever a time I need to go survival, when out backpacking. I hope I never need to, cause unnecessary damage to nature but if I have to, I'll eat a pine tree, crap cut logs and pee fire to live.
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Post by kayman on Jan 22, 2019 15:32:46 GMT -8
All I can say is.................wow
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Post by reuben on Jan 22, 2019 15:38:33 GMT -8
I'm aware that ounces add up but I guess I also forgot to mention to you people that I would never go on a hike longer than 5 miles or so Then map, compass, and a good signaling device like a PLB, Spot, inReach, are all you need. And knowledge to use the map and compass. Really, you're making far more of this than is necessary. We all have our fears, and we're trying to help you, but I think that your fear is overwhelming the rational part of your brain. Either that or you love your knives and guns too much, and that's overwhelming the rational part of your brains. Maybe a bit of both.
Your favorite tool isn't necessarily the best, or even one of the top ten, items needed in all circumstances.
I'd suggest looking for a local group to start hiking with. REI has classes/groups on their website, and a search over the larger internet may turn up a local group or two you could start with and learn from. Hope this helps. Coming in here (or anywhere, on the internet or in person) and making assumptions about the knowledge and experience of a bunch of people you don't know is a bad move. You tried that with swimswithtrout , and he politely handed your ass to you. You can learn a lot from people like him. I have. Over the years we've had a lot of new members come in, asking both stupid and good questions. They've received a lot of good advice, and I'm one of the beneficiaries. You came here with questions, looking for advice. If the answers don't match you expectations despite the hundreds (thousands, really) of years of experience that we have in all sorts of conditions, maybe you need to rethink your expectations.
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Post by High Sierra Fan on Jan 22, 2019 15:46:33 GMT -8
Thinking on it? For a max five miles (so really two and a half out then back) I’d go with a nice rescue strobe. Visible from both the ground and air at far longer ranges than that. www.acrartex.com/products/c-strobe-ledAnd maybe a whistle: sound really carries: they’d easily hear you from the trailhead.
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Post by catonsvillebill on Jan 22, 2019 15:47:39 GMT -8
Swiss Army Knife, but that is all
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Post by swiftdream on Jan 22, 2019 15:51:41 GMT -8
Simple hot drinks are a good method to keep warm. The Alaskan adventures used to drink gallons of hot tea a day and simple hot water was called silver tea. Experiment, it works.
I live in the desert and have experimented with digging for water and solar stills. I never take anything written for truth until I verify it through actual experience. On a hot, sunny day when the ground was moist I dug two pits 4’ wide and 5’ deep, put containers down and clear plastic over, sealed around the edges and went off hiking and eventually to a steak house. 6 hours later I found 1.5 cups of water between them, not enough for tea for two. Guess how much sweat I lost constructing. That was with a full sized shovel.
I’ve been backpacking since I was 12. My mother, who grew up in the Depression, made me my first bedroll from two wool blankets pinned to waterproof canvas. I carried that until I was 16 when I got my first down bag…I got 100 bag nights in that summer.
At 12 before that first first trip I wrote the county and told them of my intentions and they sent me three USGS quads for my area. I was fascinated with them and had no idea I would later launch a career in aerial mapping.
Back then we only used fires. I got my first stove and tent when I was 17. I got my bushcrafting done while very young. From what I see now on bushcrafting sites, they all do it right next to their Toyotas and Fords. That’s fine but not for me. It is more of an activity than a serious vocation.
So…experiment experiment experiment. That is the only way you will find the path. Then the issue is staying on the path. Don’t finds endless ways to fail. Learn it all and make it your own. You can still follow your own bent.
I never went for exercise, always for simple passion and then became addicted to the exercise.
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Post by hikerjer on Jan 22, 2019 16:07:32 GMT -8
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Post by driftwoody on Jan 22, 2019 16:16:35 GMT -8
I was expecting this site to be more of a Bushcraft thing type site but obviously you people are more about sleeping bags and dehydrated meals rather than surviving in the woods What you apparently don't understand is the experienced backpackers here are giving you the best advice on how to survive in the woods. But you keep insisting on your preconceived notions on what survival in the wood entails. If you're entering a wilderness area to set up a long term hard shelter like the people do in Alone you might want to bring some heavy tools, but if you're doing recreational backpacking (which could include a base camp) then do yourself a favor and do more listening here than arguing. You're asking about which gear to bring for surviving in the woods when you get lost and have to cope with being out longer than expected. Aside from improving your skills in not getting lost in the first place, the most essential gear is that which keeps you warm and dry -- like a lightweight waterproof shelter, an insulated sleeping pad, and a quality sleeping bag rated to the coldest temperature you might encounter. If you have that (including the ten essentials) with dry clothes you wear only in the shelter, you can survive for a long time if you have a water source and a means to filter or treat the water. The great thing about the gear we've been recommending is it's the same gear you'll use for your intended overnight stay in the woods, plus a few just in case items that won't burden you with a lot of unnecessary weight.
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Post by greg1062 on Jan 22, 2019 16:25:54 GMT -8
I'm confused how you could be lost for weeks on a 5-mile trip...
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Post by tomas on Jan 22, 2019 16:39:22 GMT -8
I'm confused how you could be lost for weeks on a 5-mile trip... Here's a documentary from my childhood that can help explain.
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Post by driftwoody on Jan 22, 2019 16:41:58 GMT -8
I'm confused how you could be lost for weeks on a 5-mile trip... Did he sat WHY he was going into the woods in the first place?
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Post by driftwoody on Jan 22, 2019 16:45:29 GMT -8
Here's a documentary from my childhood that can help explain. Their crew included a scientist who could make a nuclear reactor out of a coca nut but couldn't repair a 3-foot hole in a boat (probably forgot to bring a big ass knife).
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Post by High Sierra Fan on Jan 22, 2019 16:50:56 GMT -8
Between the two unmarried women his onset of selective amnesia wouldn’t be all that surprising. Though it lasting three years and 99 episodes seems overreaching. And perhaps a felony.
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