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Post by swimswithtrout on Jan 22, 2019 14:17:09 GMT -8
This is my knife as well... Where I backpack, it get's below freezing every night, even in July/ August. It can snow up to 6" any day July/ August. The closest tree to start a fire can be 10 miles away, if fires were allowed. I don't use trails, there aren't any where I go. The closest trail can be 10 miles away, and the nearest "road" might be a good three days hike...Forget about cell service.... As far as "surviving", I have been out for as long as 28 days. This is not Alaska, or Canada, just a typical trip for me in the Lower 48. I can guaranty none of your "bushcraft" survival "skills" would be of any help .
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Post by jazzmom on Jan 22, 2019 14:28:17 GMT -8
I go to the woods to explore not to exercise exercise is secondary I don't understand people who go hiking to exercise just go to the gym You have some odd (and very incorrect) ideas about this backpacking community, but you don't seem particularly interested in listening to what we have to say. It's too bad. [shrug]
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Post by Lamebeaver on Jan 22, 2019 14:28:20 GMT -8
I'm aware that ounces add up but I guess I also forgot to mention to you people that I would never go on a hike longer than 5 miles or so In such a scenario, what would be the use of a big knife? I go to the woods to explore not to exercise exercise is secondary I don't understand people who go hiking to exercise just go to the gym I do both, but I would MUCH prefer hiking in the woods (and exploring) over walking on a treadmill. Hiking exercises both body and soul.
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Post by danny on Jan 22, 2019 14:28:39 GMT -8
This is my knife as well... Where I backpack, it get's below freezing every night, even in July/ August. It can snow up to 6" any day July/ August. The closest tree to start a fire can be 10 miles away, if fires were allowed. The closest trail can be just as far away, and the nearest "road" might be a good three days hike...Forget about cell service.... As far as "surviving", I have been out for as long as 28 days. This is not Alaska, or Canada, just a typical trip for me in the Lower 48 I can guaranty none of your "bushcraft" survival "skills" would be of any help . Yes you sound like a pretty badass I'm dead serious I'm not lying honestly but if you know that the road is over there or cell phone signal is over there you're not really lost by the way I seriously doubt you survived for 28 days without carrying food are you talking about you carrying food for 28 days or you fishing? By the way what are those pictures of?what places are those?
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Post by danny on Jan 22, 2019 14:31:44 GMT -8
I go to the woods to explore not to exercise exercise is secondary I don't understand people who go hiking to exercise just go to the gym You have some odd (and very incorrect) ideas about this backpacking community, but you don't seem particularly interested in listening to what we have to say. It's too bad. [shrug] No you misunderstood me I have listened to everything you people have told me on every thread it's just that I already know all the things you are told me I was wanting to get information on additional questions I know you're supposed to check the weather report I know you're supposed to have a map and compass I was looking for survival information
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Post by swmtnbackpacker on Jan 22, 2019 14:32:52 GMT -8
Mostly it’s a smaller spring loaded multitool with scissors for summer and pliers for winter snowstuff. There’s an argument to be made for a full-tang knife I suppose, to hack away at wood in case of a survival situation. There’s so much down and dry wood laying about for a fire (which is usually illegal due to dryness by the time serious backpacking season arrives in any case). Really the way fire restrictions hit nowadays, it’d better be a good ‘splaining to the rangers down here.
Maybe a trailrunner may need to build an emergency shelter falls but in backpacking, one carries their shelter.
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Post by zeke on Jan 22, 2019 14:35:26 GMT -8
Sure, some of us have carried food for 28 days, or fished to augment the food, but not most of us. 8-10 days of food is about my own experience limit. One could find places in California or Wyoming that looked like the pics of SWT.
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Post by desert dweller on Jan 22, 2019 14:41:29 GMT -8
I go to the woods to explore not to exercise exercise is secondary I don't understand people who go hiking to exercise just go to the gym I'd say that exercise is not the primary reason for backpacking. In fact, exercise, if anything, is one of the enablers for backpacking. I ride my bicycle everyday and when my friends ask why, I tell them that I bicycle to keep in shape for backpacking. Backpacking is an activity that allows a person to do something that is not in their every day repertoire. Backpacking is a way of getting yourself out of the norm and into places that allow for a different experience and a chance for contemplation. Being in shape and knowing how to survive, are basic tools for making those things happen.
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Post by swimswithtrout on Jan 22, 2019 14:51:22 GMT -8
by the way I seriously doubt you survived for 28 days without carrying food Without a lot of unnecessary weight in a huge knife/gun, you would be surprised how many days of food you can carry
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Post by jazzmom on Jan 22, 2019 14:53:27 GMT -8
it's just that I already know all the things you are told me Okey-dokey You seem to have this very romantic notion of a "survival" trip, but I would put it to you that has no more to do with "exploring" than trail running or hiking for exercise. Lugging a heavy pack for 5 miles a day, spending most of your time foraging for food, trying to stay sheltered and warm, may make for an exciting TV show, but really isn't about exploring either. It's perfectly OK if this is what floats your boat, but you're probably not going to convince us that your way is somehow more real. What we're trying to tell you -- which I just don't think you're getting -- is that it's possible to travel comfortably and efficiently in the backcountry in order to *explore* it, without the drama of being in "survival" mode all the time. Experience has taught us, collectively, that risk isn't always exciting and generally worth avoiding.
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Post by tomas on Jan 22, 2019 14:55:15 GMT -8
If I'm lost I don't know where I am on the map because mostly the ma is there to keep me on track, so that I dont get lost in the first place. Then learn how to use a map. And no, you don't need to climb high to figure it out. A stove and fuel is for boiling water not for keeping warm or even cooking fish or something you caught via traps and snares Really? I can't cook a fish or small game on a BPing stove? News to me and everybody else who has done it. Hint, it's called a frying pan. They come nice and light.
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Post by danny on Jan 22, 2019 14:57:15 GMT -8
it's just that I already know all the things you are told me Okey-dokey You seem to have this very romantic notion of a "survival" trip, but I would put it to you that has no more to do with "exploring" than trail running or hiking for exercise. Lugging a heavy pack for 5 miles a day, spending most of your time foraging for food, trying to stay sheltered and warm, may make for an exciting TV show, but really isn't about exploring either. It's perfectly OK if this is what floats your boat, but you're probably not going to convince us that your way is somehow more real. What we're trying to tell you -- which I just don't think you're getting -- is that it's possible to travel comfortably and efficiently in the backcountry in order to *explore* it, without the drama of being in "survival" mode all the time. Experience has taught us, collectively, that risk isn't always exciting and generally worth avoiding. No you did not understand what I said again what I meant was I do not go into the wilderness because of the exercise BUT that does not mean I go into the Wilderness because I want to get lost intentionally I was talking about in case I got lost that's why I mentioned the map that's why I said a map does me little good after I'm lost especially if I cannot successfully triangulate my location not that I go into the Wilderness to get lost specifically
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Post by Lamebeaver on Jan 22, 2019 14:59:07 GMT -8
Danny, You're getting some good advice from some really experienced people. I have a little more to add. Please take it as constructive criticism. I'm not trying to piss you off. I also forgot to mention to you people that I would never go on a hike longer than 5 miles or so Your best survival tool (as others have mentioned) is a map and compass and the knowledge on how to use them. Even if you don't know your exact location, you can often spot one or two landmarks, and triangulate your location from that. And if you've only walked in 5 miles, you can take the general area and walk a heading that will take you toward a road. #1 rule for survival is ALWAYS....try to avoid being in a survival situation (#2 is that your brain is your best survival tool). have you ever gotten lost and had to survive four days and you're telling me you survive fine with just a Swiss army knife ? Yes. I can break branches with my foot, or by cracking a larger branch across a rock. I literally can't imagine a situation where a big knife would be useful. Also the last couple of times I went camping I could not fall asleep even with a sleeping bag because my face was super cold while my body was okay and I got a huge huge headache because of it. I sleep in a mummy bag with a stocking cap. I can tuck my head inside the bag so my face is not directly exposed to the cold. I don't need a shovel if I'm not lost yet, but if I'm in a desert I might need a shovel to dig ahole so I can find some water/quote] In the desert, you may have to dig a pretty deep hole. Most of us carry some sort of cooking pot, which could be used to scoop dirt in an emergency. You'd get a lot more "bang for your buck" by carrying a collapsible water bladder, that could be filled at a rare water source. If I'm lost I don't know where I am on the map because mostly the ma is there to keep me on track, so that I dont get lost in the first place. see my previous comment on a map and compass I have encountered bears, but have never been attacked. Experience will teach you that you're much more likely to be killed in an auto accident driving to the trailhead than you are to be attacked by any critters in the backcountry. Happy Trails.
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Post by swimswithtrout on Jan 22, 2019 15:14:41 GMT -8
A stove and fuel is for boiling water not for keeping warm or even cooking fish Are using a can of Sterno ? Really? I can't cook a fish or small game on a BPing stove? News to me and everybody else who has done it. Hint, it's called a frying pan. They come nice and light.
Can also fry pancakes,SPAM, rabbit......
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Post by zeke on Jan 22, 2019 15:17:39 GMT -8
I feel the need to remind everyone that guns are not to be discussed in this section of the Forums. TPA would be the appropriate place.
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