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Post by trinity on Apr 22, 2018 13:20:39 GMT -8
I am planning a trip to ONP towards the end of September along with some clergy friends, who have varying degrees of backpacking experience. We'll probably have 5 or 6 days in the back country. I had been planning to hike up the Hoh River to Glacier Meadows, then back and up to Hoh Lake, Seven Lakes Basin, over Appleton Pass, and out at the Appleton Pass trailhead. However, it appears that the Hoh River road will be closed, and there will not be access to that trailhead. So I am looking for alternatives. Looking for 40-50 miles, would love to experience rain forest and alpine areas, and some good fishing along the way. Considering Bogachiel River to Seven Lakes Basin to Appleton Pass trailhead, a loop of the North Fork Quinault/Skyline Trail, or going up Enchanted Valley and out on the Duckabush trail. Any opinions? Other options? RumiDude? Also, would a tarp be a good option at that time of year? I don't expect there would be a lot of bugs that late. I might also consider a hammock. What kind of temps might we expect? I'd appreciate any information, this will be my first trip to the PNW and I'm pretty excited.
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Post by zeke on Apr 22, 2018 13:49:17 GMT -8
Until RumiDude finds this, I'll add my own experiences up in Oly. Temps will be pleasant, with typical highs near 60º and lows closer to 40º at altitude. Closer to SL will raise temps 10º. A tarp will be just fine, and a hammock even better (if you can find trees small enough for your straps!). I have hiked the Bogachiel to Seven Lakes trail and exited Sol Duc Hot Springs as I had a car staged there. Nice route, plenty to see. No idea about the fishing. I'd count on some rain, but the average for Sept is only 4 days of the month.
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Post by rebeccad on Apr 22, 2018 18:57:57 GMT -8
I'd count on some rain, but the average for Sept is only 4 days of the month. Yeah, my memory of being a denizen of Puget Sound is that September was often the nicest month of the year (so of course we were stuck in school. I was permanently scarred by the smell of a school bus on a hot day).
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Post by RumiDude on Apr 22, 2018 21:38:57 GMT -8
Let me put some thought into this and get back to you. I just got back from running around all afternoon and evening.
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Post by trinity on Apr 23, 2018 3:16:01 GMT -8
Thanks, y'all. With 6 full days to play with, what would you do; spend 6 days backpacking, or 5 days backpacking and a day to explore the coast? Coast looks mighty spectacular.
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Post by cweston on Apr 23, 2018 4:25:13 GMT -8
Thanks, y'all. With 6 full days to play with, what would you do; spend 6 days backpacking, or 5 days backpacking and a day to explore the coast? Coast looks mighty spectacular. I’d plan a day for the coast if you have six days to work with. Also, I would think twice about taking less experienced hikers on the Skyline Trail. I’d probably stick with the upper Ho, Glacier Meadows plan, but approach as an out-and-back from Sol Duc. You might also consider the Hart Lake/Lake Lacrosse Area, which can be reached either via the Duckabush from the east or the East Branch Quinalt (Enchanted Valley) from the west side. (Or a one-way if you can make the shuttle work.) The Quinalt rainforest is not as spectacular as the Ho, but still pretty spectacular.
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Post by zeke on Apr 23, 2018 5:26:06 GMT -8
To address the varied backpacking experience, I'd invite everyone to my home or some other location, and ask that they bring everything they plan on packing. This way, the more experienced can help the less weed out what they need and what is optional. Shared items, like kitchen gear, can be allocated. Top end weights can be suggested. Help the less experienced learn how to meet a lower pack weight. They won't have as much fun if they are carrying 40#s.
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Post by cweston on Apr 23, 2018 7:41:30 GMT -8
You might also consider the Hart Lake/Lake Lacrosse Area, which can be reached either via the Duckabush from the east or the East Branch Quinalt (Enchanted Valley) from the west side. (Or a one-way if you can make the shuttle work.) Oops: I guess I should have read the OP a little more carefully: that was one of your stated options.
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Post by rebeccad on Apr 23, 2018 7:46:07 GMT -8
Definitely agree with taking a day for the coast. Or even two--spend a night out there, or at least in a coastal campground. Of course, I tend to think of the area as one where permits and reservations aren't required, and I suspect that's 30 years out of date (which, alas, is how long it's been since I was out there. Must remedy that).
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Post by kayman on Apr 23, 2018 9:42:18 GMT -8
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Post by RumiDude on Apr 23, 2018 13:24:35 GMT -8
OK, first things first. Fishing is NOT my expertise, but I have not heard much in the way of reports that any of the high alpine lakes are excellent fishing. I will ask around but I am doubtful. In ONP, it is strictly catch and release with barbless hooks. The Elwha is closed to all fishing right now and it is the best place in ONP to fish, so you are out of luck there. What kind of miles and elevation gain per day are you planning? Is this six full days of backpacking or are the end days just half days in reality? Do you want to schedule so that you KNOW you can make your particular camp spot or do you want flexibility? I don't advise splitting the trip into coastal and alpine. The reason being is that you will shortchange your alpine portion. Seriously, you don't want to rush through the alpine. I also try to avoid quota areas where you MUST reserve a site on a particular date. This can be done if you do the quota area first, but can be problematic if done otherwise. I would never park my own vehicle at the Duckabush trailhead. It is one of the most active for vandals and thieves. The Dosewallips is better but is also subject to the same. Having said that, the Duck is a spectacular river and so is the Dose. Well every river is spectacular. *bigonpgrins* If you decide to go in or come out at the Duck, I would arrange for a shuttle rather than leaving a vehicle. I might be able to help you with that depending on my own personal situation. (I can't drive as I am legally blind but I might find a driver.) I am scheduled for two WTA work parties on the Skyline this summer, a total of 15 days. So I am reasonably sure that it will be in fairly decent shape. The Quinault River is a great river. The loop that takes you to LaCrosse Basin and Anderson Pass is Spectacular. You could also go up the Dose and over Heyden Pass down to the Elwha, up to Low Divide and onto the Skyline and out the North Fork Quinault. I haven't figured the miles on that, but it's a good one. You could go in at Obstruction Point, down into Grand Valley, up and over Grand pass to Cameron Creek. over Cameron Pass and Lost Pass to the Dose, and down and out there. These are just off the top of my head. They are all on trail with no off-trail routes. Rumi PS: I would add that at that time of year you should almost be guaranteed to see bears in the Marmot Lake/La Crosse Pass/La Crosse Basin, Anderson Pass/O'Neil Pass areas. PPS: Rain and Temp  Wow, at the end of September it could be warm or it could be cold. It could be rainy and windy or calm and clear. That time of the year is really hard to predict. If it does rain it is likely not going to be that all day soaking rain, just intermittent showers with clouds and mist. No guarantees on Olympic mountain weather.
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Post by trinity on Apr 23, 2018 18:00:00 GMT -8
Great information, thanks everyone! Really nice trs, kayman , looks like you had an amazing time out there. Wish we had time to do like you did, and make trips to the high country and the coast. RumiDude , I usually figure on 8-10 miles. I prefer to have some flexibility, especially when I'm out with others. I've backpacked with these folks before, and the main thing I'm worried about is fitness level. One member of the party had a lot of trouble in the Indian Peaks a few years back, but at least altitude won't be as much of an issue this time. But I'm a little worried how he'll do with all the elevation change. As you suggest, I expect that the first and last days will be more like half days, especially the last. Hopefully we can get on the trail reasonably early on day one. We might have someone who can shuttle us, and I expect we can hire someone if needed, but thanks so much for the offer, that's very generous, and I might be in touch about that.
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Post by null on Apr 29, 2018 12:28:08 GMT -8
Why not start at Sol Duc, go to Heart Lake and over Appleton Pass? You'll miss Glacier Meadows unfortunately.
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Post by cweston on Apr 29, 2018 13:26:39 GMT -8
I should add that my cautionary note about the Skyline trail with less experienced hikers was more about the up and down nature of the route than about the routefinding. One more experienced leader (you) can handle the routefinding challenges, but everyone has to do the ups and downs. That’s a spectacular route. But very up and down.
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Post by trinity on Apr 30, 2018 3:47:36 GMT -8
Why not start at Sol Duc, go to Heart Lake and over Appleton Pass? You'll miss Glacier Meadows unfortunately. Definitely a possibility. I should add that my cautionary note about the Skyline trail with less experienced hikers was more about the up and down nature of the route than about the routefinding. Thanks for the clarification. Sounds amazing, but possibly a bit too physically challenging for a group of deskbound out of shape priests.
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