Hungry Jack
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Post by Hungry Jack on Apr 11, 2017 15:05:51 GMT -8
I'm no airline operations guru, but it's very doubtful that United has a crew based in Louisville nor many flights there (in the hub and spoke configuration, getting to Louisville on United almost certainly entails going through O'Hare, even if coming from, say, Atlanta).
So they had a night flight to Lou'ville, and needed a crew for a morning departure. This is pretty common, I think.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 12, 2017 1:57:18 GMT -8
So, why did they let him on the plane in the first place....if you're going to bump someone....it seems to me the time to do it is BEFORE they get on the plane.
IMO, this is all on United......
Oh for the days it was fun to fly......the Airlines have become a bus with wings.....TSA generally makes the experience horrible, and something I avoid if possible.
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Post by tomas on Apr 12, 2017 6:19:22 GMT -8
So they had a night flight to Lou'ville, and needed a crew for a morning departure. This is pretty common, I think It's a five hour car ride between Chicago and L'ville. So if they needed a crew for the morning there's an easy solution. |
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Post by whistlepunk on Apr 12, 2017 6:36:16 GMT -8
Let's see...
The US wants Syrian President Assad forcibly removed. So we could just book him a seat on a United flight and let nature take its course.
One Middle East problem solved!
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Post by Hungry Jack on Apr 12, 2017 8:07:36 GMT -8
So they had a night flight to Lou'ville, and needed a crew for a morning departure. This is pretty common, I think It's a five hour car ride between Chicago and L'ville. So if they needed a crew for the morning there's an easy solution. Maybe you should email the CEO? |
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Post by tomas on Apr 12, 2017 8:09:19 GMT -8
Maybe you should email the CEO? Naw, I'll buy a United airlines ticket and fly to his house.  |
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Post by GaliWalker on Apr 13, 2017 5:00:36 GMT -8
Regarding how legal all of this was... not much. Per these rules, the company would have had to deny entry to the passenger before, not after, he boarded the plane. In order to require someone to leave the plane who is already seated, Mahany said, they would need to provide a lawful reason. "If they’re not dressed appropriately, if they have certain communicable diseases, if they’re drunk, if they’re violent, you can remove them," he said. "If they don’t turn off their cell phone when they’re supposed to, you can remove them. If they won’t obey lawful instructions from a crew member, you can remove them. But telling someone, 'Hey, we’ve overbooked, get off the plane,' that wouldn’t be a lawful instruction."And, who gets the lion's share of the blame...United does: The situation could have been averted had United personnel been better trained — and had more control, Mahany said. "The line employees aren’t empowered to do anything, and the cops are always going to listen to the flight crew. If the pilot says a person has to get off, they’re going to take them off." |
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Post by swmtnbackpacker on Apr 13, 2017 6:31:36 GMT -8
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Post by Hungry Jack on Apr 13, 2017 7:29:30 GMT -8
United has been a basket case for years now. Living in Chicago, I have flown them frequently. I am just happy if the flight is on time and staff are not surly. I guess two bankruptcies, well-publicized labor strife, and generally bad PR will do that to an airline and its employees. While a seat on a United plane feels little different than a seat on Southwest or American, the difference in employee morale is noticeable.
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Post by kenv on Apr 13, 2017 10:17:36 GMT -8
So out of the hundreds of pilots that United has in their system they couldn't move a different group to that flight? This was United's screw up, the passenger shouldn't be forced to lose his seat. Ummm, moving "another" crew would cause "another" flight to be cancelled. In that event hundreds of people would miss their flight instead of just four. And FWIW, when you book a flight, you enter into a "contract of carriage." That contract allows the airline to bounce you off the contracted flight for a number of reasons, including overbooking and (not kidding here) smelling bad. If you stink bad enough to offend other passengers, you can be booted. |
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Post by kenv on Apr 13, 2017 10:23:30 GMT -8
Overbooking is just another nasty habit the airline industry uses to squeeze ever larger profits. Hmmmm. Overbooking has been going on many many years, including the many years when airlines made losses rather than profits. Profit margins remain very tight. The point is to reduce costs. The more full the plane is, the lower the per seat cost, and the lower the airfare. Because lots of people cancel and/or don't show, the airlines need to overbook to have a reasonable chance of filling the airplane. |
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Post by GaliWalker on Apr 13, 2017 10:26:58 GMT -8
And FWIW, when you book a flight, you enter into a "contract of carriage." That contract allows the airline to bounce you off the contracted flight for a number of reasons, including overbooking ... Not for overbooking (which this arguably wasn't a case of), once you've boarded. Please read my previous post (and the link), three posts above yours. |
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Post by desert dweller on Apr 13, 2017 10:36:50 GMT -8
Overbooking has been going on many many years, including the many years when airlines made losses rather than profits. So, it's the victim's fault? |
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Post by hikingtiger on Apr 13, 2017 10:46:52 GMT -8
Ummm, moving "another" crew would cause "another" flight to be cancelled. In that event hundreds of people would miss their flight instead of just four. It's also a reasonably short drive to Louisville from Chicago. They could have put the crew in a nice rental and let them drive it. |
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Post by kenv on Apr 13, 2017 10:52:01 GMT -8
So, it's the victim's fault? I never said anything about "fault". I was clearly addressing the claim that overbooking is a "nasty habit the airline industry uses to squeeze ever larger profits." That is a gross (and cynical) oversimplification. As for "fault", United screwed up big time by getting into a situation of having to remove a boarded passenger. The kicking screaming passenger screwed up big big big time by escalating it to the point that law enforcement had to get involved, and then attempting to resist. |
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