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Post by tomas on May 29, 2019 8:21:30 GMT -8
For what it is worth, Everest was first climbed by Hillary and Norgay on this date in 1953.
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Post by ErnieW on May 29, 2019 9:34:39 GMT -8
If they only issue a certain number of permits how is it so crowded. Does any entity enforce the permits on site?
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Post by tomas on May 29, 2019 9:49:38 GMT -8
If they only issue a certain number of permits how is it so crowded. They issued more permits this year than before. Though I suspect the bigger contributor to the deaths was there seemed to be fewer days that the summit could be assaulted. More people + fewer viable days to summit = somebody is in deep trouble.
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Post by johntpenca on May 29, 2019 11:51:57 GMT -8
And BTW, an increase in cut-rate climbs (30-40K - not 100K) with inexperienced guides is apparently part of the problem this year. That is new to me. Not challenging you, but would be interested in a reference as to low cost guided climbs.
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Post by FamilySherpa on May 29, 2019 12:32:26 GMT -8
Its impossible to compare climbing rates. They all include different things. Some include everything from airfare to your permit, some are just everything from base camp to the top. I do remember during the 1996 disaster there being several groups on the mountain whose clients had paid around $15k, everything included.
Also, someone in this thread quoted $20k to go to basecamp. Forum member, Ben2World went to basecamp during one of his travel the world trips. i'm pretty sure he didnt shell out 20k for that.
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Post by rebeccad on May 29, 2019 16:20:59 GMT -8
I suspect the bigger contributor to the deaths was there seemed to be fewer days that the summit could be assaulted. More people + fewer viable days to summit = somebody is in deep trouble. It's looking to me like they may need to have a lottery system or something for who gets to make a summit attempt on the days when it's feasible.
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Post by reuben on May 29, 2019 16:28:36 GMT -8
It's already a lottery when it comes to getting down alive.
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Post by johntpenca on May 29, 2019 16:34:52 GMT -8
Okay, I'll back check my statements as to cost.
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Post by High Sierra Fan on May 29, 2019 19:16:25 GMT -8
Okay, I'll back check my statements as to cost. NPR interviewed a Nat Geo photographer at Camp 2 who in response to the cost question said the guide services ranged from $70,000 from a European based company down to about half that for a local company. He didn’t say whether that included Nepal’s Everest summit permit fee of $11,000. “Nepal doesn't have any regulations to determine how many permits should be issued, so anyone with a doctor's note can obtain one for an $11,000 fee, Sapkota said.” www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2019-05-28/deaths-rise-as-nepal-issues-more-permits-for-mount-everest
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Post by bradmacmt on May 30, 2019 5:33:10 GMT -8
That is new to me. Not challenging you, but would be interested in a reference as to low cost guided climbs. The problem of low cost, under-equipped, inexperienced guide services has been reported in most of the Everest coverage of the last few days... I heard it on NPR. The article below is from 2016. It has been reported widely that this year there are even far more of these sort of cut-rate services. www.nbcnews.com/news/world/mount-everest-guide-services-warn-about-cut-rate-competitors-n569626 "Willie Benegas, co-founder of Benegas Brothers Expeditions in Salt Lake City, said many of the low-cost operators also use old equipment to save money. That enables them to charge clients as little as $20,000 for an assault on the mountain, far less than the $40,000 to $60,000 that many established companies charge. (Some luxury outfits charge clients as much as $100,000)."www.nytimes.com/2019/05/26/world/asia/mount-everest-deaths.html"Fly-by-night adventure companies are taking up untrained climbers who pose a risk to everyone on the mountain. And the Nepalese government, hungry for every climbing dollar it can get, has issued more permits than Everest can safely handle, some experienced mountaineers say."
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Post by GaliWalker on May 30, 2019 5:48:53 GMT -8
The problem of low cost, under-equipped, inexperienced guide services has been reported in most of the Everest coverage of the last few days That is one of the reasons I heard, cited by someone who had a successful Everest climb on May 23rd.
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Post by FamilySherpa on May 30, 2019 6:00:13 GMT -8
You can hire a reputable guide service with all needs & logistics from kathmandu to summit and back, plus a dedicated sherpa for $40k. I'd say the fly by night companies at half the cost aren't hard to find.
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Post by Hungry Jack on May 30, 2019 7:36:21 GMT -8
I am not sure why you would spend all that money on a guide when you can just read about routes on the Internet, plug it into WAZE, and then follow the conga line up the mountain. Easy!
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Post by RumiDude on May 30, 2019 9:27:53 GMT -8
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Post by Hungry Jack on May 31, 2019 4:01:43 GMT -8
In other words, unions are ruining Everest. (ducks) (that is a joke)
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