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Post by trailguy2013 on Aug 3, 2018 18:02:28 GMT -8
so I am trying to get a quilt made for me by UGQ I live in Virginia and I wanted to know if I should have the quilt overstuffed and what fill power I should get cause I don't know what overstuffed and fill power means
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Post by tigger on Aug 3, 2018 20:59:15 GMT -8
so I am trying to get a quilt made for me by UGQ I live in Virginia and I wanted to know if I should have the quilt overstuffed and what fill power I should get cause I don't know what overstuffed and fill power means Overstuff helps minimally with down loss which happens naturally over time. It also helps to ensure there are less draft pockets. Is it necessary? Only if the manufacturer isn't accurate on the temp rating or fill. It tends to be a peace of mind thing. It does add weight. Whenever I look at a new product, I fight the urge not to overstuff. On my last purchase, I lost that battle. Was it worth it? Probably not. In regards to fill power - Basically higher quality down with less feathers in the mix to make a lighter more efficient quilt. Higher fill power tends to equal considerably higher cost. For ounce shavers, this tends to be one way a person can lighten their load..and their pocket - For example, I went from a +40 zipperless hoodless sleeping bag to a 0 degree quilt and shaved 3 ounces in the process (higher quality fill helped). I draw the line at 700 fill. I notice smells from wet down from lower fill power usually associated with poorly processed down I assume.
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Post by bluefish on Aug 4, 2018 5:02:36 GMT -8
so I am trying to get a quilt made for me by UGQ I live in Virginia and I wanted to know if I should have the quilt overstuffed and what fill power I should get cause I don't know what overstuffed and fill power means I think the custom quilt order page for UGQ will explain a little of that. If you look at the specs, you'll see that 950 fill reduces the weight for the same degree rating as the 800 fill. As an example, I think I saved 4oz. in our quilt by paying the extra money for the 950 fill over the 800. Higher quality down has greater insulating qualities via creating more dead air space via more filaments per plume of down. Overstuffing in a quilt will also keep fill out to the edges of the quilt better, along with what tigger said. I have a UGQ Bandit XL that my wife and I use as a 2 person quilt. The quality is nothing short of great. Very, very happy with ours. We got it in peak season and waited 9 weeks. People order in late fall for thru hikes starting in Spring, and it backs the orders up. Right now, it's 4 weeks for a custom quilt. I trust their temp ratings as long as you use a properly insulated pad for the temps you're in. I'd order another product from them with zero reservation.
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Aug 4, 2018 11:01:11 GMT -8
Post by JRinGeorgia on Aug 4, 2018 11:01:11 GMT -8
Higher fill power means less weight for the same insulating rating. Or conversely, if you have two bags/quilts with the same weight of down in each and in all other respects are equal, the one with the higher fill power will be warmer.
Overstuff can keep baffles full and help prevent down from shifting, and it could add a bit of warmth.
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Aug 4, 2018 21:31:20 GMT -8
Post by johntpenca on Aug 4, 2018 21:31:20 GMT -8
so I am trying to get a quilt made for me by UGQ I live in Virginia and I wanted to know if I should have the quilt overstuffed and what fill power I should get cause I don't know what overstuffed and fill power means By the way, welcome to the forum. If you have time, post up in the Trailhead Register and let us know a bit about yourself.
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Aug 5, 2018 12:28:18 GMT -8
Post by gcvrsa on Aug 5, 2018 12:28:18 GMT -8
Last year, I got a Paria Outdoors 15F Thermodown quilt. I use it with a Sea to Summit ripstop silk rectangular bag liner and a Therm-a-Rest RidgeRest 20x72, and it is very comfortable, but I have not slept outside with it on nights lower than about 40F. I find that I much prefer the quilt, which weighs 2 lbs, 3 oz., to a sleeping bag, because it doesn't constrict, and if it gets too warm, I can easily let in a little cold air. I have the regular length quilt, even though I am 6' 1", and I have never felt the need for the Long length version, though, had it been available at the time I got mine, I would have gone for the extra 3 oz and 6" length x 1" width.
I don't really have any interest in sleeping outdoors where/when the temperatures might get below 32F, and I'm a cold sleeper, so I have no idea whether or not the 15F rating can be trusted and have no intention of finding out. About five years ago, I permanently injured one of my knees, so carrying winter-weight gear isn't in my forecast.
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Nov 18, 2018 21:05:33 GMT -8
Post by greymouse on Nov 18, 2018 21:05:33 GMT -8
I use a set of Loco Libre zero degree quilts for all of my winter hikes here in the south. I don't get shifting down due to the chevron baffle design and George's quilts are awesome. I waited seven months for mine due to a mass ordering during black friday last year that delayed manufacturing. George has since hired more people to sew so 8-9 weeks ain't bad really. Full disclosure-I knew when I ordered my quilts that it would be several months before I received them. It wasn't due to any fault of George's such as me ordering and having to wait due to bad communication or anything. I knew well in advance how long the delay would be and I didn't mind.
0° Carolina Reaper Underquilt (3.5" Loft)
Size: 80" - 900 fill power Downtek Goose Down Extra Length: Standard - No extra Outer Color: Coyote Brown Argon 90 Inner Color: Titanium Gray Argon 90 Outer Stitching Color: Match Fabric Color Inner Stitching Color: Match Fabric Color Extra down: 4 ounces 900 Downtek goose down Grosgrain Trim Color: Coyote Brown Draft Collars: Yes Weight with stuff sack: 1165g/41.09oz/2.57lbs
0° Ghost Pepper Topquilt (3.5" Loft)
Size: 85" - WIDE width 900 fill power goose down Outer Shell Color: Coyote Brown Argon 90 Inner Shell Color: Ti Gray 90 Outer Stitching Color: Match Outer Fabric Color Inner Stitching Color: Match Inner Fabric Color Neck Draft Collar: Yes Taper: No Taper Foot Box Style: Insulated "Hot Box" Foot Box (+2oz 900 Fill goose down) Extra Down: 2 ounces 900 goose down (body of quilt) Dee Ring Pad Attachments: No Thanks, I'm a Hammock Hanger Weight with stuff sack: 935g/32.98oz/2.03lbs
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Nov 19, 2018 16:57:58 GMT -8
Post by johntpenca on Nov 19, 2018 16:57:58 GMT -8
I use a set of Loco Libre zero degree quilts for all of my winter hikes here in the south. I don't get shifting down due to the chevron baffle design and George's quilts are awesome. I waited seven months for mine due to a mass ordering during black friday last year that delayed manufacturing. George has since hired more people to sew so 8-9 weeks ain't bad really. Full disclosure-I knew when I ordered my quilts that it would be several months before I received them. It wasn't due to any fault of George's such as me ordering and having to wait due to bad communication or anything. I knew well in advance how long the delay would be and I didn't mind. 0° Carolina Reaper Underquilt (3.5" Loft)Size: 80" - 900 fill power Downtek Goose Down Extra Length: Standard - No extra Outer Color: Coyote Brown Argon 90 Inner Color: Titanium Gray Argon 90 Outer Stitching Color: Match Fabric Color Inner Stitching Color: Match Fabric Color Extra down: 4 ounces 900 Downtek goose down Grosgrain Trim Color: Coyote Brown Draft Collars: Yes Weight with stuff sack: 1165g/41.09oz/2.57lbs 0° Ghost Pepper Topquilt (3.5" Loft)Size: 85" - WIDE width 900 fill power goose down Outer Shell Color: Coyote Brown Argon 90 Inner Shell Color: Ti Gray 90 Outer Stitching Color: Match Outer Fabric Color Inner Stitching Color: Match Inner Fabric Color Neck Draft Collar: Yes Taper: No Taper Foot Box Style: Insulated "Hot Box" Foot Box (+2oz 900 Fill goose down) Extra Down: 2 ounces 900 goose down (body of quilt) Dee Ring Pad Attachments: No Thanks, I'm a Hammock Hanger Weight with stuff sack: 935g/32.98oz/2.03lbs Do you find the temperature rating accurate? I pretty much use Western Mountaineering as my benchmark for loft versus temperature rating. I just can't see 3.5" loft good for 0 F.
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Nov 20, 2018 11:15:20 GMT -8
Post by crawford on Nov 20, 2018 11:15:20 GMT -8
Going out on a limb here to suggest a fellow on Etsy and FB Backpacker Flea Market. Steve Hazel makes some mighty nice and affordable stuff. www.etsy.com/shop/HangTightShopI have a 20 degree quilt, at 1lb 12 oz and really love it.
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Post by greymouse on Nov 20, 2018 12:14:10 GMT -8
I've only had the quilts since june or july this year. I had them out a month ago at 38F with a 10-15mph wind and they did awesome. My wife uses a Wilderness Logistics 15F top quilt and a Hammock Gear 20F Incubator under quilt. She was toasty warm. Btw our tarps were three season tarps with the wind changing and blowing directly down through the tarp all night. We are going out again in January with an expected low of 10-15F and possibly lower due to elevation and wind. I will hopefully get a chance to test them further. Here is a crappy pic of the quilt before I adjusted it. I had it in "Summer mode" The wife's set up for the windy night
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Nov 20, 2018 17:25:25 GMT -8
Post by trinity on Nov 20, 2018 17:25:25 GMT -8
Those are nice looking setups, greymouse ! What kinds of hammocks and tarps?
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Post by greymouse on Nov 20, 2018 17:43:23 GMT -8
Thanks trinity. Both hammocks are 11' Trail Lairs from Simply Light Designs ( Hammocks) and tons of dutch bling. Both tarps are UGQ Hanger 12' Hex Tarps with Cat Cuts ( Tarps) and end pole mods. I will be having Donna from 2QZQ ( link) make a pair of matching Grizz Beaks for them to make them into a four season tarp when needed. I always set up in "Summer Mode" when I first deploy the tarps to make it easier to hang the hammocks and stuff. Then If needed I'll drop the sides down to "Winter Mode" if it's going to be a chance of rain or snow. If it actually comes down heavy then I'll drop that ridge line and put them in "Storm Mode". My rule is that if the quilts are out then the tarp is up. As you can see I started with the wife's stuff and was moving on to complete mine in this pic
The last hammocks to go up are the chairs: Terrapin Outdoors Hatchling Super Lounger Size Dual Layer-1.6 HyperD inside/1.6 HyperD outside Chairs
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Nov 20, 2018 18:01:34 GMT -8
Post by trinity on Nov 20, 2018 18:01:34 GMT -8
Nice! Lots of folks seem to love the Trail Lair. I have a flat tarp from SLD, it is top notch, and Jared is a pleasure to deal with. I also have 2 tarps (a Hanger Tarp and a Winter Dream) and an underquilt from UGQ, another great company. I'll probably be needing another underquilt soon, I'm leaning towards an Incubato 30r. My hammocks are a Hammeck (no longer in business) Netty, and a Dutchware Chameleon, which is great, but not quite as comfortable as my Netty.
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Nov 20, 2018 18:10:50 GMT -8
Post by greymouse on Nov 20, 2018 18:10:50 GMT -8
Next year we will each move up to Jared's Winter Haven 13' with three pole mods tarps for winter use. I need to get a set of 30F quilts from Loco Libre for myself and also get the wife matching sets in 0F and 30F from George also. I also need to upgrade our 30' Zing-it continuous ridge line to a 50'Lash It continuous ridge line for us both.
To answer john's oringinal quest about EE quilts. I don't think that they use an internal baffle to stop or delay down shifting but I'm not 100% sure as I have never owned one of their quilts. I did a ton of research before I decided that my best interest was in bespoke gear for my particular uses. I looked at the horizontal versus the vertical baffle designs (and mixes of both designs) and finally ended up choosing the chevron design to help stop migrating down from being any real issue. On my wife's gear I have to purposefully make sure that the down hasn't migrated each time that I set it up to ensure that she stays happy at night. A cold wife is a miserable one and she will be in my hammock quickly. The I'll have to hear about it lol
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Nov 20, 2018 18:11:37 GMT -8
Post by tipiwalter on Nov 20, 2018 18:11:37 GMT -8
THE WINTER QUILT WARS
Everybody talks about the advantages of a quilt over a sleeping bag but heck my sleeping bag becomes a quilt and is used as a quilt 95% of the time so it performs both functions. What then is so great about a quilt in the winter? A quilt is just a sleeping bag with a broken zipper (i.e. no zipper) and we know how bad a down bag is at 0F with a broken zipper.
It happened to me in 1988 on a long ago trip when my North Face bag blew out its full length zipper on a winter trip and let me tell you---the difference between a down bag without a zip vs with a zip at 0F is monumental because with a zip you are mummified, without and you're in a cold room with a thin blanket.
What did I do? I used my needle and dental floss and sewed the zip shut along its length so I had to crawl in from the top and I was of course toasty warm. I guess you could sew a quilt up tight because a quilt always has a broken zipper (no zipper).
Some UL gurus recommend the quilt but here again we see how technological improvements often ruin something that isn't broken and has worked for a hundred years---the down mummy bag with a zipper. A quilt performs only one function whereas a zippered down bag performs two---as an unzipped quilt at 20F and a mummy cocoon at 0F. But the quilt advisors always say "my quilt works great at 20F and it'll never go from 20F down to 0F on my trips!" Uh, it just might.
A quilt doesn't have any defcon levels built in---you can't use a quilt at 20F (defcon 1) and expect it to work at 0F (defcon 3). (Forget about defcon 6 at -20F). A quilt therefore has a limited window of usability whereas a -15F down bag can go from 50F down to -15F which are common numbers on a long winter trip.
A quilt locks you into a small parameter or window of How Low Can You Go and that's stupid on a 3 week winter trip. You just may require the big guns of a good sleeping bag when it's not performing limited duty as an unzipped quilt; it's the best of both worlds. Thanks for the screed. My opinions only.
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