tarol
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Post by tarol on Oct 4, 2015 11:31:35 GMT -8
Two popular recreation areas in San Bernardino County that tend to flash flood are Lytle Creek Canyon north of Fontana and Mill Creek in Forest Falls. Many Southern California recreationists don’t understand the floodwaters that created the rock- and boulder-strewn, 100- to 200-foot wide channels they’re walking in or along -- especially when there’s no more than one- to two-foot wide ribbons of water running through them normally, Taylor said. “These aren’t rocks that rolled off the side of a mountain. They’re pushed there by water and mud,” he said. “You’re in an environment that’s not showing you the power it took to create that environment.” www.pe.com/articles/water-782371-flash-flood.html?page=1
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speacock
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Post by speacock on Oct 7, 2015 15:50:58 GMT -8
Long time ago, I was going over the saddle from the north on my way to top of San Gorgonio. There was a father and teen daughter coming up the other side. Also rolling in was one of the darkest, nastiest clouds I've ever seen - up close. They arrived as I was getting my breath and I advised them to come down my side and seek cover. They were confident that they were prepared and took off for the summit.
At a run I made it down almost to the high lake below me when the storm dumped tons of water on me in less than an hour. Even with my heavy Goretex parka, I got soaked. Poopout Hill was aptly named by the time I got there. There were floods and rocks on the roads as I headed down, hoping that I'd get over the bridge across Mill Creek. I did, but WOW Forest Falls took a beating. I wonder what happened to the dad and daughter. As I remember the trail head parking lot was lost. At least a few years later the parking was improved and in a different place.
Good link, as usual, Tarol.
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Post by BigLoad on Oct 11, 2015 16:45:52 GMT -8
I was thinking of this topic yesterday as I hiked down a wash toward the Colorado just below Hoover Dam. Where water had more recently cut into the alluvium, the cross section showed huge boulders encased in the same matrix as the smaller cobbles, gravel, and silt. Of course that's typical of such deposits, but what really struck me was that they had to come from at least five miles away over an extremely broad, shallow slope. The flow that brought them there must have briefly rivaled the Colorado itself.
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swmtnbackpacker
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Post by swmtnbackpacker on Oct 16, 2015 18:14:11 GMT -8
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speacock
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Post by speacock on Oct 17, 2015 15:00:15 GMT -8
Even older news here. On US-395 just before (and after) Lone Pine, you can gaze upon a long alluvial plain from the eastern Sierra. The mountains are perhaps 5-10 miles away, and it is littered with boulders the size of cars. I was told it is from melt of glaciers and not necessarily an afternoon thunderstorm. I doubt if they are all erratics. "Something BIG passed this way." On the same subject, just south of Lone Pine is a road off to "Fossil Falls". It appears to have been carved in one (or a few) large flushes from glacial melt that accumulated behind ice dams. californiathroughmylens.com/fossil-fallsJust to the south below the falls, is a large columnar basalt formation, the rubble of which might have been cleaned out by other floods. If you talk about torrents of water might as well mention drought - natural and man made. Above the falls is the remains of Owen's Lake and a trail of smaller lakes to the south of it. Nice scenery if the right light. Along Owens Lake are visual results of tapping the water for Los Angeles. Literally hundreds if not thousands of miles of concentric lake beach lines show the gradual draining of the lake. Hard to believe the lake was large enough to financially support a steam boat for transportation from one side to the other. The thought of long, hot miles trudging in sand or the chance to catch a ride and enjoy the view from a seat on a steamer would fill most coffers. www.legendsofamerica.com/ca-treasures8.htmlNow Southern California has used up not only this lake but others and rivers as well and it is still a drought. It is surprising how fast a 100 years go by if you don't keep track or plan on the future. Speaking of torrents, ask BlueBear how much time Manhattan Island, NY, has to plan on replacing much of their subway system -- time flies. Tick, tick, tick.
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tarol
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Post by tarol on Oct 19, 2015 17:45:14 GMT -8
They had a rock/mud slide near Independence a few years ago that closed 395 - yeah, it's not all from melting glaciers.
Most roads in Death Valley NP are closed right now - they've had more rain in the past 2 weeks than they get in some years.
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