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Post by ErnieW on Oct 13, 2017 19:09:13 GMT -8
I have cheap plastic mugs now. Was eying this mug as an indulgent first titanium purchase. Anyone have any experience/opinion of something like this? Snow Peak double wall titanium 450ml
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Post by rebeccad on Oct 13, 2017 19:13:59 GMT -8
Frankly, I can't see the point. I can use a cheap plastic cup that weighs less, keeps my drink just as hot (or not), and doesn't burn my lips. But, then, I don't see the point in most titanium. My aluminum pan is barely heavier than a comparable Ti pan, and cost only a few bucks. Maybe someone else can illuminate me
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Post by johntpenca on Oct 13, 2017 20:08:45 GMT -8
The only reason I see for a TI mug is if you want to cook (boil water) in it. TI dissipates heat rapidly = hot drinking surface = burnt lips.
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Post by gabby on Oct 13, 2017 22:06:51 GMT -8
But, of course – duh! – NOT in a double wall cup!
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Post by dayhiker on Oct 14, 2017 4:59:46 GMT -8
Double walled might make it easier to hold etc., not sure about cooking with it. Doubled wall will keep your drink a bit warmer, but the lid is the weak point which offsets this. That said I really like this mug, but just for home: www.rei.com/product/101660/klean-kanteen-vacuum-insulated-tumblerThe lid seems to be less important in keeping things cold, I guess because hot air goes up? My Camel Back Forge goes from 208 to 186 in an hour, while this mug goes to 155. It only holds 8 oz so I drink that before it gets cold. It is slightly better than my other camping mugs (those that also have lids)
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Post by ErnieW on Oct 14, 2017 5:06:35 GMT -8
Frankly, I can't see the point. I can use a cheap plastic cup that weighs less, keeps my drink just as hot (or not), and doesn't burn my lips. But, then, I don't see the point in most titanium. My aluminum pan is barely heavier than a comparable Ti pan, and cost only a few bucks. Maybe someone else can illuminate me This has been my philosophy. But I hear so much about titanium. I was thinking starting off with a long Ti spoon because that is commonly listed in people's cook kits but I'm not sure if that would give much on the titanium "experience". One thing I am interested in is the longevity of Ti. My aluminum stuff gets beat up and yucky after a while but at its price point replaceable. P.S. You cannot cook in a double wall cup
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Post by johntpenca on Oct 14, 2017 5:33:33 GMT -8
I have a long TI spoon but prefer a polycarbonate/lexan one; the TI spoon just seems to be "clanky" on my teeth.
Agreed that a double walled cup is not ideal for boiling water, but it can be done. The reason I wrote that a TI mug = burnt lips is that the walls meet at the lip, where the inner meets the outer. I write from experience.
TI is much more durable than aluminum.
The only piece of TI I use on a regular basis is a MSR TI kettle.
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Post by ErnieW on Oct 14, 2017 5:52:39 GMT -8
Agreed that a double walled cup is not ideal for boiling water, but it can be done. The reason I wrote that a TI mug = burnt lips is that the walls meet at the lip, where the inner meets the outer. I write from experience. TI is much more durable than aluminum. The only piece of TI I use on a regular basis is a MSR TI kettle. I was thinking given the conductivity of Ti that a cook pot might be best to try out. Which double wall Ti mug do you have experience with?
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Post by trinity on Oct 14, 2017 7:10:40 GMT -8
Note that a lid is available for this mug, which would eliminate the burnt lips issue, and improve heat retention, but also add weight. I've been eyeing this mug for years, I think it has a certain elegance to it, but I've never been able to justify the expense or the additional weight in my pack. Right now I carry a single wall 700 ml titanium mug (Snowpeak Trek) which boils my water, holds my coffee in the morning, and my whiskey at night. It is, for me, the perfect ultralight multi-purpose piece of gear. It loses heat quickly when I'm drinking my morning coffee, but that's not a big deal to me. I've never had a problem with burning my lips. The only other piece of titanium gear i carry is a Qiwiz Big Dig cathole trowel. Yes, it is absolutely ridiculous to spend $36 on a trowel. But I love this thing. I consider the long-handled lexan spoon to be a perfect piece of backpacking gear, so I would never trade mine in for ti. For me, backpacking gear should ideally balance form and function, and each of us must decide how to find the balance that works for us. To a large extent backpacking is an aesthetic pursuit. I don't think this mug is going to provide significant practical advantages over a cheap plastic cup, but if it enhances your enjoyment of your morning cup of joe, I say go for it.
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Post by rebeccad on Oct 14, 2017 7:52:12 GMT -8
I guess I feel like Ti is over-rated, at least for the price. The edge it has over other materials in weight and performance is so tiny (or in some cases negative) that I just can't see spending the money.
Cheapskate, much?
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Post by ErnieW on Oct 14, 2017 8:34:17 GMT -8
When I was younger I couldn't justify spending my limited $$$ on Ti. Given the reported longevity of Ti it probably would have been cost effective to have invested earlier. Now when I am older I have the $$$ but maybe not such a long amortization period. Like trinity mentioned one motive now is increased enjoyment of my morning cup. What I like about the Ti mug is the thinner lip. My home ceramic mug also has a thinner lip. My plastic trail mugs have a pretty thick lip.
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Post by johntpenca on Oct 14, 2017 11:15:51 GMT -8
Which double wall Ti mug do you have experience with? I don't recall the manufacturer or model. It has been a while and somewhere along the way I either lost it or gave it away. I want to say it was a snow peak, but am not sure.
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Post by rebeccad on Oct 14, 2017 20:27:24 GMT -8
I have gone through a series of ever-lighter insulated mugs. For the last 3 years, I've been using the cup in this photo, which is basically a plastic beer cup of the sort they give away free at ball games or whatever. It doesn't keep my coffee hot very long, so I just drink it faster. My main concern is that is a little fragile, but so far it's lasted 3 years. ErnieW : It has a thin lip
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Post by Westy on Oct 15, 2017 6:06:02 GMT -8
eliminate the burnt lips issue, This mug is an accident waiting to happen. A moment of forgetfulness, hot lips! I have found the Sea-to-Summit Denali Mug works best for us. No burnt lips, stores a Petzel Poche Headlamp Pouch w/headlamp nicely when not in use and is color-coded to identify whose mug is whose mug. The only negative is, the color coding can be damaged if put in a dishwasher. Tried some of the lighter-weight options but didn't like the fiddle factor, don't like handles, etc. The Denali mug enhances that end of day mental and motivating moment of "Puttin on the Ritz" sipping a cup of Land o' Lakes cocoa mixed with Café Bustelo Instant Sticks .
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Post by tomas on Oct 15, 2017 6:32:45 GMT -8
I've got the same thoughts as Rebecca, my plastic mug has served me well for years. Given that a large Ti mug is my primary cooking pot, using a plastic mug removes the possibility of me being dumb and accidently putting on a double wall onto my stove.
When I'm really going light I'll cook and drink out of the Ti mug. Snowpeak sells "hotlips" which are plastic tabs you slip on the edge of the mug and lets you drink from it without burning yourself.
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