balzaccom
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Post by balzaccom on Sept 10, 2015 7:54:19 GMT -8
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Post by 1camper on Sept 10, 2015 9:45:23 GMT -8
His title at the beginning of the video is "Senior Editor, Backpacker" ...so question asked and answered.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 10, 2015 10:19:57 GMT -8
Balzaccom wrote: The Video is entitled "Fire 101" and is about "Building a Backcountry Fire." It is produced by Backpacker Magazine and placed in the "Survivor School" section of the magazine's website. Personally, I do not build backcountry fires at all. In over forty years of backpacking, I can't think of even a single time I built a campfire. I don't like them. I don't need them. I don't really trust them. And I believe their value in an emergency is generally over-rated. BUT. . . I get plenty of practice building fires in my wood stove at home, and I've pretty well mastered the technique. That said, I do not see any obvious violation of Leave-No-Trace (LNT) principles in the video linked. In all fairness to Backpacker Magazine, I think the denunciation of the video above is overblown. The LNT principle most at issue here is Principle 5: Minimize Campfire Impacts. Bluntly stated: The title of this thread is wrong. It would not be wise to completely ignore the advice in the video. The video could be better. But it includes valid recommendations. As LNT does, I would prefer that the narrator, Casey Lyons, begin the video with several precautions mentioned in LNT #5 such as: LNT says, "The best place to build a fire is within an existing fire ring in a well-placed campsite." That is the better practice — if you choose to build a fire. But LNT does not rule out building your own fire ring — depending upon your circumstances and the availability of a pre-existing fire ring. In an emergency, you may not have the choice of a pre-existing fire ring. Some National Forests in the West do allow campfires up to a certain elevation. And it is obvious from the many threads we've had that some people want a fire — even when they don't need a fire. LNT does say that building a fire is an "important skill for every camper." So inevitably Backpacker Magazine is bound to discuss the topic. And it has chosen a short video introduction in which I think the advice is generally sound — as far as it goes. We need to remember that magazine editors must be more concise than verbose posters to forums. Whether I like fires or not, whether the fire danger is high in my area or not, whether the video utters all the precautions I'd like to see or not — I do not see any flagrant violations of LNT or forest rules in the video. Sorry Balzaccom, I think your criticism is way overblown and inaccurate.
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Post by amaruq on Sept 10, 2015 10:51:45 GMT -8
I also don't see anything that would warrant the extremity of the OP. I often enjoy putting together a fire in the backcountry, whether I need one or not. In Ontario deadfall is abundant and most trails have both official and unofficial campsites with existing fire rings.
After all, the Canadian dream is a campsite for two on a secluded lake with a toasty fire and no bugs (that's the dream part).
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Post by FamilySherpa on Sept 10, 2015 11:03:40 GMT -8
This reminds me of something I thought of the other day. The pros & cons to dismantling existing fire rings. Certainly the true leave no trace act is to not build a fire or fire ring in the first place, but I have to wonder if dismantling existing ones does more harm than good.
Small rings (like the one in the video) I can understand, but I have been to larger backcountry sites where someone has come through and scattered the rocks of the one large fire ring for the site. Its blatantly obvious, because the entire site looks like a fire ring from all the scattered rocks on the perimeter. While I can understand a strict adherence to LNT, I'm starting to think these large fire rings are just better left alone.
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Post by Lamebeaver on Sept 10, 2015 11:04:02 GMT -8
While the Pacific Northwest is very dry, other parts of the West were blessed with abundant moisture this year. Fires are perfectly legal and acceptable in many national forests. If you think of the environmental costs involved in manufacturing a camp stove, and fuel canister, plus drilling, refining and transporting the fuel, I think a small low impact fire is probably less damaging to the environment.
In short, I didn't find anything offensive in the article either. I would have added a small section on starting a fire in wet weather.
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Post by High Sierra Fan on Sept 10, 2015 12:25:02 GMT -8
On the new fire ring aspect: there's a banner graphic that explicitly states it's preferable to use an existing ring. Yes for much of the West an open fire is problematic, but the distribution of the webpages is wide and there are huge swaths of backpacker country where a fire would have little to no potential dangers or impact. In the national parks I'm familiar with while there are regulations on open fire use in terms of elevation, they are not routinely banned so I don't see what would be breaking the law. Perhaps some specific criticism? Here's Sequoia's for Ex. www.nps.gov/seki/planyourvisit/upload/2015-Minimum-Impact-Restrictions-FINAL-3.pdfStage 2 at there moment: www.nps.gov/seki/learn/nature/fire-restrictions.htm
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