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Post by indytgrfan on Mar 20, 2017 19:48:16 GMT -8
I'm going to be in Palm Springs for Spring Break March 27th through April 4th. I've heard the night sky is amazing when camping in Josua Tree, but wondering where a preferable place might be for a one-night backpack/camp hike.
Thanks in advance.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 22, 2017 1:19:06 GMT -8
I'm going to be in Palm Springs for Spring Break March 27th through April 4th. I've heard the night sky is amazing when camping in Josua Tree, but wondering where a preferable place might be for a one-night backpack/camp hike. It's been many years since I have been there, but I think the hike to Lost Palm Oasis would be a great one nighter. But you are not allowed to stay over night too close to the palms because that is the only water around for countless miles for the desert animals and they don't want people to scare them off. You can get there and back in a day hike, as I have, so take your time on an over-nigher. And make sure you don't get lost out there! -Don- Auburn, CA
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Post by indytgrfan on Mar 22, 2017 7:12:56 GMT -8
Is it easy to get lost in Joshua Tree or something? Is it because of the terrain that trails aren't as delineated as they are in other Parks?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 22, 2017 10:14:08 GMT -8
Is it easy to get lost in Joshua Tree or something? Is it because of the terrain that trails aren't as delineated as they are in other Parks? Well, it is desert and the odds are you won't see anybody else. But I don't know about the trail these days, as I have no clue how much use it gets. When I was there last, many years ago, the trail was obvious in some places but not in other areas and no trails at all when you get near the palms so you had to remember where you came from. Or was it too many trails near the palms? All I remember is that when I got down there, I had to be sure which way to go back to get back on the main trail. I just looked here and the trail looks a lot better these days, with a well used trail and signs. I think it was the late 1970's I was there last, so things have changed a lot. -Don- Auburn, CA
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Post by davesenesac on Mar 22, 2017 16:36:56 GMT -8
It can be if you understand what you are doing. As long as the vast LA basin smog is not moving west to east, given the very dry desert air, visibility can be exceptional. Check wind forecasts before your trip. You are in luck because the new moon date is March 27 so most of the time you are out the moon will not be up during most of the night and when it is will be small. aa.usno.navy.mil/data/docs/AltAz.php
The majority of backpacking visitors tend to be fixated on the Wonderland of Rocks areas, especially rock climbers. However as a photographer my choice would be an area of slope gradient where one can put the Milky Way up against the night silhouettes of Joshua trees. Rocks and peaks are in many parks, Joshua trees in just this one. That is more difficult in areas where there is lots of nearby topography including rock piles. The main task is to ramble about and find a good group of trees to be able to shoot from below at enough distance to keep both the trees and stars in reasonable focus. Forget about tramping down some trail. If one doesn't understand that, better to go to Wonderland and just use one of the rock piles.
Basics: www.nps.gov/jotr/planyourvisit/backpacking.htm
www.nps.gov/jotr/planyourvisit/bcboards.htm
To know where you can legally backpack you will need a topo map that shows the actual wilderness boundaries like the National Geographic Map for the park. I will recommend hiking out from the Twin Tanks Backcountry Board as the whole sloping plain there are trees, nicely separated and the legal boundary is not far. Oh yeah vegetation and wildflowers will be lushly peaking as it was a wet winter.
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Post by ogg on Mar 22, 2017 17:49:27 GMT -8
You really can't go wrong since most of the least desirable places to camp for your needs would be off limits to overnight camping anyway. Know that for overnight backcountry camping, you need to park at a "backcountry board" and register before departing. If you're OK with driving maintained dirt roads, camping at Hexahedron Mine would place you high up in a fairly wide open spot. The trailhead is the Pleasant Valley backcountry board off of Geology Tour Rd. Juniper flats is wide open area with many Joshua trees. Juniper Flats can be accessed from a short somewhat uninteresting route from Park View Rd, at the Juniper Flats backcountry board, or a longer more interesting route from Covington Flats, which requires a bit of dirt road driving to access.
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Post by indytgrfan on Mar 22, 2017 21:47:05 GMT -8
Good stuff so far, thank you guys so much for the input. Definitely a couple of things we could do with the data people have shared.
Keep it coming with ideas guys.
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Post by indytgrfan on Mar 23, 2017 6:07:24 GMT -8
OGG,
I looked at pictures of Hexahedron Mine, it looked pretty sparse up there, wouldn't it be better to camp elsewhere, maybe in an area that had some Joshua Trees? I guess that is why you mentioned the alternative of Juniper Flats. Is there a trail from Covington Flats to Juniper Flats? Looking at the NPS website for the Covington Flats Trailhead, I couldn't really tell.
Thanks!
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Post by rebeccad on Mar 24, 2017 10:07:02 GMT -8
You might also just ask at the Visitor's Center about a good place to see the flowers. We did that one year, and were directed to Porcupine Wash (backpacking legal with permit 1 mile from pavement). It was fantastic.
I'll even share our secret to doing great desert dry camps: eat dinner first. Carry a no-cook breakfast and plenty of water. We can do a nice hike that way with minimal weight and be back at the car soon after the light has gone bad.
If you can figure out a shuttle, a one-way hike of the Boy Scout trail is fun, and you can camp along the way, at least in some areas. We did that a number of years ago too.
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Post by indytgrfan on Mar 24, 2017 18:51:26 GMT -8
rebeccad: That is a good idea, but what do you mean that you can be back at the car soon after the light has gone bad? Aren't you camping in the desert? Isn't that the point to eat dinner before the hike in?
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Post by rebeccad on Mar 28, 2017 20:12:27 GMT -8
you can be back at the car soon after the light has gone bad? Aren't you camping in the desert? Isn't that the point to eat dinner before the hike in? Sorry--I wasn't clear. We've done this as backpack overnights, so that we are away from the road in the evening and early morning, then head back to the car when the sun gets higher.
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Post by ogg on Mar 31, 2017 18:20:09 GMT -8
OGG, I looked at pictures of Hexahedron Mine, it looked pretty sparse up there, wouldn't it be better to camp elsewhere, maybe in an area that had some Joshua Trees? I guess that is why you mentioned the alternative of Juniper Flats. Is there a trail from Covington Flats to Juniper Flats? Looking at the NPS website for the Covington Flats Trailhead, I couldn't really tell. I guess it could be considered sparse and I can see how that might not be appealing. I like camping in wide open areas and wouldn't necessarily consider camping among Joshua Trees "better" than not having them around, but that's just me. I had interpreted your post as seeking advice for campsites with ideal night sky viewing conditions. Looking back at at it, I guess you were looking for a more general recommendation. The campsite at Hexahedron is high up in the Hexie Mtns and should have a less obscured horizon all around, which might improve the night sky view experience, compared to some other areas. I was just looking at some old photos of mine. Views from the camp and the trail up to it were pretty nice. Juniper flats is certainly less sparse in that there is quite a bit more vegetation there. There is a trail to Juniper Flats from Covington Flats. I've stayed at Juniper Flats twice, once I went in from Parkview Rd and stayed lower down on the east end and second time I came in from Covington Flats and stayed higher up on the West end, which I found to be a more interesting area with a better view from the campsite.
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Post by null on Apr 1, 2017 5:15:19 GMT -8
You could start at the Boy Scout Trailhead and camp at Lone Pine about 5 miles away. You might get some light pollution from 29 Palms though.
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