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Post by Deleted on Aug 18, 2015 16:27:34 GMT -8
I do a lot of hiking in NW Montana {usually by myself } most are only 5-8 miles total but there is no cell service on 90% on of these hikes. I need some recommendations on the best 2 way radios I could purchase. Any help would be appreciated.
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Post by BigLoad on Aug 18, 2015 16:58:39 GMT -8
What is your intended application? Most 2-way radios won't be much use on a solo hike of interesting length, especially with interesting terrain, unless you're thinking of something bigger and heavier. You might be better off with a sat phone or other satellite communications device.
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Post by Westy on Aug 18, 2015 17:35:35 GMT -8
Recommend you look at a Spot satellite messenger.
It will send a SOS message to SAR organizations. You can also send up to (3) pre-planned messages via e-mail to friends and family. We use "At the trailhead" as our communication for starting or ending a hike, "All Systems Go, Everything A-OK" for a daily, no worries message and finally, "Need help..going to hit SOS". SOS is not message. You press the emergency button and alerts the nearest rescue organization to proceed immediately to the GPS coordinates the message was sent from.
You buy the device for about $150 and it costs $100 to $150 per year for activation.
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Post by High Sierra Fan on Aug 18, 2015 17:44:57 GMT -8
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Post by Deleted on Aug 18, 2015 18:52:09 GMT -8
I have a Baofeng UV-5R, awesome little radio. You'll need licensing for a lot of the channels though (really easy to get). There are frequencies that don't need licensing though. Like $30-$40 on Amazon, I'd say get the extended battery (3500mAh).
Another antenna for it would be good too, the one it comes with is alright but it gets the job done.
Depending on your intended use you may want something different though. If you're going with a friend and just want to stay in touch if you guys split up a little ways then it would work great. If you're trying to keep in touch with civilization then something else would be better.
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Post by ogg on Sept 2, 2015 5:11:25 GMT -8
A Delorme InReach has both the SOS capability of a SPOT messenger as well as two way text messaging through satellite to either email or SMS text recipients. I've used mine a number of times this spring and summer and it has worked great. It was invaluable on a two-week, solo camping/hiking/road trip that I undertook in July and found myself having to make unexpected itinerary changes due to bad weather in remote areas with no cellular coverage. It can be paired with a cell phone through a bluetooth connection which allows it to be used in conjunction with Delorme's Eartmate mobile app. Text messages can be typed on the cellphone and sent through the InReach device and the Earthmate mapping capability essentially turns the InReach into a mapping GPS (whether or not it is good substitute for a mapping GPS I can't say since I've never used one.) The InReach will also function as a stand alone unit, though typing messages on it is more cumbersome this way and sending preset messages is preferred. I highly recommend looking into the InReach. I once, briefly, had a second generation SPOT messenger but returned it to REI. It would not transmit and SPOT customer service was subpar. SPOT uses a different- and, many say, inferior- satellite system than the InReach.
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Post by tigger on Sept 2, 2015 7:08:21 GMT -8
As others have mentioned, there are better alternatives. In regards to 2-way radios, I often bring one myself on winter trips so that in an emergency, at least I could scan radio channels and get SAR communication if they were close enough. They come in different ranges and I would obviously recommend the max range (ten miles on non-licensed versions if I recall).
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Post by BlueBear on Sept 2, 2015 7:28:15 GMT -8
As others have mentioned, it really depends upon your intended use. There's only a narrow set of circumstances where a 2-way radio is very helpful, especially on solo trips, and it varies depending what frequencies you're using.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 3, 2015 10:27:03 GMT -8
While not legal for such uses, many of the bear hunters use marine radios in the Southern Appalachians.
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Post by dayhiker on Sept 3, 2015 11:59:40 GMT -8
Walkie Talkies is what is usually mean't by two way radios, FRMS & GRMS , the later required getting a license (pay a fee) www.amazon.com/Motorola-MH230R-23-Mile-22-Channel-Two-Way/dp/B001UE6MIO/ref=sr_1_1?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1441309568&sr=1-1&keywords=walkie+talkiesThese might work if you were hiking with someone but were not together. But since they might not you would still need a plan for that , so for me they are not usually worth the bother. == Ham Radio can often reach long distances, I have hit repeaters (like cell towers , but more often in mountains) from far away, usually you want to hit a nearby repeater to transmit to a much further place, some allow phone calls. There is one like that on Mt Hood. You need to bring a little book of repeaters or look them up before hand. But sometimes I can't hit the repeater. Not sure if a ham hears me but does not pick up just to say hi, who would in an emergency. I think this is what the Park Service uses most places. The license for Ham Radio is a hard test - though I think I got 100% on the first part, and just pasted the 2nd part, in lieu of Morse COde. It also gets weather channel better than any other radio I have had, with a good antenna. I now have a PLB but it is just good for emergencies (life threatening?). I have no experience with a spot etc. but I feel more confident about the PLB, and don't need to contact folks "at home" etc. Sat phone is expensive unless you get a deal (like those in Alaska?). I also have radio just for weather channels, which uses my flashlight batteries if needed, so it is small a very light but only take it on longer trips.
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Post by whistlepunk on Sept 30, 2015 20:32:36 GMT -8
2way radios usually have a very limited range -- a few miles from a mountaintop, way less in a canyon. The odds of contacting someone at random are pretty small. They would have to be in range, have the radio on, and on the same channel. If you have the electronic knowledge you can boost the power thus increasing range, but that is illegal. The odds the FCC will catch you are way more remote than successful contact of some other hiker.
No one bothers to get the federal license for GMRS, at least not hikers. The licensing was intended for business users in urban areas, where the likelihood of cross user interference is greater. The FCC seems to be ignoring the licensing for hikers and remote backountry users.
I use my radios when bike riding or fishing and my partner is too far away to yell messages.
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Post by almostthere on Oct 18, 2015 9:24:36 GMT -8
Those Motorla models you get at stores have miserable connectivity - used to take them on group hikes, but if there's lots of tree or ridges (and where aren't there trees or ridges in mountains???) that estimate of max distance goes away - a mile away and nothing but static.
When I was SAR we had high band radios that could use the occasional towers scattered through the Sierra - and, we had a portable antenna that one of us could hike up to a high place, and a plane that could circle high above to be a repeater. And still the connectivity was dicey. Teams were often left to fend for themselves and do the best they could if the search area was large. At least they worked better for teams that were within a few miles of each other than the commercial radios.
I have a Personal Locator Beacon and make sure my buddies always know where it (and the car keys) are in my pack, just in case I hit my head or am separated from my pack when incapacitated.
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Post by Lonewolf on Oct 31, 2015 18:53:22 GMT -8
You're in NW MT... whereabouts? I'm in the Gallatin Valley outside Bozeman. I hold an Extra Class amateur radio license (the highest level of 3), president of the Gallatin Ham Radio Club and a volunteer examiner for amateur licensing. Getting a technician license (level 1) is very easy* and small, inexpensive radios are easily acquired. If you're interested, contact me and I'll see about getting you with someone in your area. Or maybe Flathead Valley Amateur Radio Club. They're giving technician's classes on 11/7 and 11/14. If you contact them, you can tell them KE7SJZ referred you if you want. *General and Extra can be rough. Took me 5 tries to get my Extra.
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