tarol
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Post by tarol on Aug 14, 2015 11:29:53 GMT -8
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reuben
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Post by reuben on Aug 14, 2015 13:36:02 GMT -8
Yeah, I saw this earlier, and of course it made me sad. Maybe Chuck will cook them some biscuits.
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Post by vinovampire on Aug 14, 2015 15:46:07 GMT -8
Agh. That's terrible. Really heartbreaking to hear this news.
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Post by trinity on Aug 14, 2015 16:59:32 GMT -8
Dreadful.
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Post by High Sierra Fan on Aug 14, 2015 17:23:41 GMT -8
And callous morons across the Internet scampered on the park and national parks traveler FB pages amongst others to trot out the oh so clever quip that now the park has to kill the tree. They "murdered" that grizzly right? So fair is fair....
Two children dead and that's the reaction? Disgusting.
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Post by tipiwalter on Aug 14, 2015 17:36:49 GMT -8
I'm always paranoid about this kind of accident as hundreds of nights outdoors means being under hundreds of different trees in all weather conditions. Sometimes open bald camping is preferred despite the high winds and exposure often associated with such camping.
And even if you look up beforehand (a necessary RULE for all backpackers . . . or even car campers), and avoid camping under dead limbs or an obvious dead tree, living trees can still fall rootball and all. High limbs can snap off and impale the ground 2 feet deep like a spike. Vlad the Impaler comes to mind.
In this tragic accident, was the Oak tree above them dead or not??
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Post by High Sierra Fan on Aug 14, 2015 19:51:34 GMT -8
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Post by Deleted on Aug 14, 2015 20:46:02 GMT -8
The state park I go to often has this same problem. I forget the exact name for the phenomenon, but it is something like Sudden Limb Drop phenomena. Scientists are apparently not sure why exactly oak trees do this, but the state is requiring that parks were this phenomenon has occurred this summer that have resulted in injury must hand out a warning slip to all campers. The park I frequent has had two occurrences this summer where someone has had minor injuries, but none that resulted in death or serious injury.
According to the warning being passed out the oak trees that do this are healthy, but for whatever reason drop limbs. At my park in particular there is at least one noticed limb drop every few days according to staff. Gotta watch where you go I guess.
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tarol
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Post by tarol on Aug 15, 2015 14:02:49 GMT -8
Tipi - I'm a bit paranoid and prefer out in the open as well. The FS makes us go through Hazard Tree Awareness training every year since we lost a member of a trail crew on the Inyo NF. Then we lost ChuckD...
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amaruq
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Post by amaruq on Sept 4, 2015 7:13:25 GMT -8
Tragic news. I know it's about a month old now, but I'll bump this anyways as a continued reminder to be wary of overhead hazards.
A friend and frequent hiking partner of mine lost a very close friend of his while they were hiking at the base of a water fall this past spring. A big Red Oak atop the falls shed a branch, which fell 60 feet and hit them both. He had minor injuries, she was killed.
Having had family in the logging industry I'm well aware of the hazards posed by trees and their "widow-makers," but even I often forget to look up. Though I didn't know the woman, it really struck a chord with me because I climb numerous falls in that area, always aware of ice- and rock-fall hazards, but never really thinking about wood-fall.
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Post by hikerjer on Sept 4, 2015 7:35:19 GMT -8
Tragic news, indeed. I feel for the families and everyone involved.
with so many recent fires and beetle kill resulting in a huge number of dead trees, I've become very more conscious of where I camp in the forest. I've alway preferred more open areas and do so even more now.
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Post by walkswithblackflies on Sept 4, 2015 7:59:55 GMT -8
Ironically the park had published an article on the hazards of oaks doing this in the recent past. It seems oaks shed limbs, even live limbs, at unpredictable intervals. Silver maples, too. And the emerald ash borer in my area has made ash trees very unpredictable.
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