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Post by bluefish on Jan 26, 2017 12:59:42 GMT -8
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Post by bluefish on Jan 26, 2017 13:02:46 GMT -8
I feel OK because I know I'm not doing any damage. If you want to continue to feel superior, you have every right.
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markskor
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Post by markskor on Jan 26, 2017 17:13:25 GMT -8
Well now, 7 well-respected members here above have clearly stated - no soap in the wilderness. Yet you feel OK with taking soap as you know you are not doing any harm. ARGH! Then give a few quick shots for my caring about the Sierra and then pout when I call you out. That's how you roll huh?
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Post by bluefish on Jan 26, 2017 17:30:58 GMT -8
Too PC for me. And ridiculous. Conversations like this make people want to lease the wilderness to ATV clubs. Your fishermen use trails do 1,000 times the damage my 2 drops of non-soap do 200 feet from the water that I use once in a blue moon. You want to be an ass about it, fine. Last post from me.
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Post by markskor on Jan 26, 2017 18:16:04 GMT -8
bye!
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Post by bushmaster on Nov 23, 2021 6:38:56 GMT -8
All trail cooking for me is in a pot. I line the pot with tin foil if that particular food tends to make cleanup difficult.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 26, 2021 17:15:38 GMT -8
I've gone back and forth several times - cooking, and freezer bag/dehydrated foods. Now I just use my pot for boiling water. It's faster, no cleanup necessary. the only exception would be if I make some kind of instant soup. the bowl I eat out of gets rinsed with clean water, which I drink (yeah its gross) then wipe with a towel. I just found these and am going to give them a try: www.amazon.com/dp/B09DFPVF1F?psc=1&ref=ppx_yo2_dt_b_product_detailsI like that better than eating out of a plastic bag, because It looks like I can reuse these containers. I'll post back later.
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Post by High Sierra Fan on Dec 1, 2021 22:00:13 GMT -8
Since it’s a freezer bag for me & my kettle just boils water while my slick plastic grocery store cereal bowl and lexan spoon get the boiling water treatment with the water leftover from coffee. Then dried with a bit of paper towel.
I’m with markskor: “just my little…” is multiplied by how many thousands and tens of thousands of wilderness visitors? For myself? I’m just not that special. And decades of experience have established there’s no necessity.
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Post by gcvrsa on Aug 4, 2023 15:20:09 GMT -8
I carry and use both Dr. Bronner’s castile soap and Dr. Bronner’s Sal Suds detergent. Both are biodegradeable. The soap is for me, the detergent is for the dishes. And no, I do not use them directly in water sources, of course not. Sal Suds is much better than castile soap for dishes. The castile soap doesn’t rinse as cleanly as easily, and does not cut through fats as well. Using the Sal Suds, you end up using a lot less water to clean the dishes.
Other things I have been known to use are Simple Green (also biodegradable) and 70% isopropyl alcohol, which gets dishes very clean. The alcohol is something I use in town, as well, if I eat out using the utensils I carry in my hand bag. A small spray bottle of alcohol and a pocket pack of tissues gets my utensils completely clean so they can go right back in my handbag.
The first strategy, of course, is devising ways of cooking and eating food that do not require you to clean dishes.
It’s important to remember that is is neither possible nor necessarily desirable for humans to have no impact whatsoever on Nature. We should strive wherever possible to have as little impact as we possibly can, but I won’t do so at the cost of food safety or wildlife safety.
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Post by jazzmom on Aug 7, 2023 8:20:22 GMT -8
We should strive wherever possible to have as little impact as we possibly can, but I won’t do so at the cost of food safety or wildlife safety. With all due respect, I think the lack of dishwashing soap very rarely poses a "food safety" risk, if ever.
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Post by Coolkat on Aug 7, 2023 9:21:01 GMT -8
I've been backpacking not long as some of you but for many years now with my longest hike being 11days. Never once did I use or need soap. Never once have I gotten sick from my food or lack of washing. Then again I don't exchange food nor do I accept food offered to me.
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Post by rebeccad on Aug 7, 2023 18:08:16 GMT -8
Poorly washed hands are a much greater risk than poorly washed dishes. That said, I mostly eat out of freezer bags, though lately I’ve taken to soaking and eating non-greasy foods in my bowl. I never cook in my pot, which would undoubtedly result in burned on stuff that’s a PITA to clean (it always did back in the day before I discovered FBC).
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Post by cweston on Aug 9, 2023 12:48:06 GMT -8
I never use soap of any kind when backpacking, save for a quick hand-wipe sponge bath once a day after cat-hole business. As others have said, my evening meals consist entirely of FBC-style meals. The spoon gets a quick rinse with a bit of water.
Car camping, I try to keep soap washing to a minimum. Mostly just cooking pans and utensils. Eating utensils, coffee cups, coffee making gear, etc. are fine for several days with just a rinse after use.
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Post by High Sierra Fan on Aug 18, 2023 11:59:22 GMT -8
The CDC suggests the commonest transmission route for Giardia etc. for backpackers is transmission via companions poorly washed hands and lack of human waste hygiene.
Human pathogens and parasites are simply not a common inhabitant of a simply rinsed bowl.
Odds are far higher you’ll get the Black Plague from unleashing your pet to roll in a plague killed squirrel and come romping back to you carrying plague carrying fleas. A fate I’ve got very mixed feelings about. 😎
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Post by ErnieW on Aug 18, 2023 21:17:59 GMT -8
I'm not sure that is correct about Giardia. I checked the CDC site and some others and they seem to say hikers are most vulnerable by swallowed contaminated water. Even just a little bit. So a bowl rinsed with contaminated water might not be that safe. Giardia cysts are very resilient.
It also looks like you can only get Giardia from infected people's feces. So if you have clean companions Giardia-wise I don't know if they are a problem. You can be infected and asymptomatic. One of the CDC warnings is be careful having anal sex (or just touching their anus) with locals with poor sanitation.
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