ErnieW
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Post by ErnieW on Jan 24, 2017 7:13:35 GMT -8
Put me in the camp of tiny non stick pot on warm water and finger clean up. I drink the water generally when I am done (as long as my finger wasn't too dirty). A wipe with a tiny little piece of paper towel and back into the food pack goes the pot.
A lot of times no food is cooked in my pot, just water but that means I have a cup with me to make soup in. Food is rehydrated in their bags then sometimes served in the cup . A little more civilized. My lexan cup cleans up with warm water and finger as well. The cup is usually when group camping with a shared pot. When by myself just the pot for everything.
To be lightweight you may have to concede that a warm cooked meal is a luxury. Clean up is a chore.
Not to say that I don't ever go luxury. Sometimes for quick overnights I bring a bottle of Prosecco, my lexan champagne flutes and my outback oven where I cook pepperoni pizza and banana bread for desert with pancakes in the morning. The backpack oven has a non-stick pan so it cleans with a wipe. The dough for the pizza gets mixed in that pan as well as the banana bread. The pancakes are from water only mix and mixed in the freezer bag the mix was carried in.
Where there are lots of bears I tend to go non-cook if possible. Hot food smells a lot more and cleaning up or splashing or spilling could make you smell yummy.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 24, 2017 8:42:11 GMT -8
ErnieW Good point. For my wife and I, backpacking trips of 3 days or less, we may do a luxury thing. Trips of three days or more the packing is more about weight.
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Post by Lamebeaver on Jan 24, 2017 10:00:39 GMT -8
I do a lot of freezer bag cooking, which greatly minimizes cleanup. I also carry a tiny squeeze bottle of dish soap, and a small plastic scrunge pad.
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Post by swiftdream on Jan 24, 2017 12:11:00 GMT -8
We backpack into waterless desert almost all the time so dehydrating and rehydrating does not make sense unless it if for preservation of food. So we almost always cook fresh foods into soups and that is done in our titanium pot. For cleaning we make tea after both breakfast and lunch so that sterilizes the pan, cups and utensils, does not waste water and hydrates us with a satisfying beverage. We don't take soap have have never had a problem.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 24, 2017 12:38:30 GMT -8
Dish soap does not belong in the wilderness.
I have had the pleasure of some kids putting dish soap into my 55 gallon aquarium. The bio-sphere in the 2 canister filters and the 2 fluidized bed filters collapsed, my store bought water was ruined, and my 4 discus died.
Seeing first hand what dish soap can do to an environment, helps me understand that dish soap has no place in the wilderness.
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Post by almostthere on Jan 24, 2017 14:57:29 GMT -8
I was talking to a friend who works at REI, in the aisles at REI, when this lady walks up and asks him for "that soap you can use in streams and lakes."
Point blank, with a glare: "THERE IS NO SUCH THING. EVERRRRRRRRR. NO SOAP IN WILDERNESS WATER SOURCES!!!"
I wasn't going to lose my job -- I didn't work there. My friend walked her over to the Dr. Bronners and explained how to use it properly.
This is why we can't just say "use biodegradable soap." Or "use biodegradable TP." You still have to do it right, this stuff doesn't just vanish into the ecosystem without consequence.
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Post by bluefish on Jan 24, 2017 15:33:31 GMT -8
Most people, even supposedly LNT, never think twice about washing their arms , covered in DEET or sunscreen off in a wilderness lake or stream. Common sense goes a long way.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 24, 2017 15:43:13 GMT -8
Most people, even supposedly LNT, never think twice about washing their arms , covered in DEET or sunscreen off in a wilderness lake or stream. Common sense goes a long way. Good one. My wife and I do think about putting deet and sunscreen into the eco-system. We collect wipes from fast food places and use them on backpacking trips.
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Post by almostthere on Jan 24, 2017 16:00:27 GMT -8
I love those Say Yes to Cucumbers body wipes. The Say Yes to Tomatoes version doesn't smell as nice but work as well.
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Post by markskor on Jan 24, 2017 19:49:32 GMT -8
Beside the occasional trout, often actually cook too - saute garlic with hot pepper flakes, salami, finish pasta w/ Asiago, tuna and pasta, rice, soups, etc. Use the wet sand/gravel, lil water, long-handled spoon, hand-scrape, finish off with small scrubbie approach. Nice thing about titanium, rock-scour it as hard as you want, you can't hurt it. Rinse now "clean" pot in lake...swirl a little boiling water inside before the next meal.
BTW, Sorry, not a big fan of any soap used/carried when you're in my Sierra. Respectfully, don't really care if "It's entirely organic and made of various organic oils." Rationalize all you want...it's not natural to an alpine (pristine) environment, biodegradable or not...same as trash.
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Post by bluefish on Jan 25, 2017 4:33:32 GMT -8
Nor are many of the trout you catch. HYOH
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Post by markskor on Jan 25, 2017 7:12:38 GMT -8
Nor are many of the trout you catch. Big difference is I didn't bring the "trash" in with me...and then leave it there.
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Post by bluefish on Jan 25, 2017 11:17:44 GMT -8
Don't leave behind any of your food scraps then, that soap has the same impact as tuna oil or less. I don't use it every trip, anyway. If it's any consolation, my years in the Sierra are coming to a close, as there's many other places I wish to explore. I never considered them "my" Sierra, even when I lived and worked in them. Enjoy.
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Post by jazzmom on Jan 26, 2017 5:33:15 GMT -8
I do "cook" in the pot (as opposed to just boiling water and rehydrating in ziplocks) but almost all my meals are soupy or saucy, so having to scrub out a pot is really rare. I try to limit any dishes with melted cheese to FBC. I eat all the bits and then, if needed, wipe out with a small piece of damp paper towel. I don't worry about sterilizing since the next meal cooked in the pot will be brought to a boil.
I don't take soap, so that's that. I also pack out everything (well, except for poop/pee) including used toilet paper, food scraps, etc.
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Post by markskor on Jan 26, 2017 9:15:20 GMT -8
I never considered them "my" Sierra, even when I lived and worked in them. As to our difference in attitudes...my Sierra vs your not - Perhaps explains why you feel it's OK to use even small amounts of soap in my Sierra backcountry. When something is yours, you make more the effort...protect/ take care of even the smallest things?
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