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Post by Deleted on Jan 18, 2017 14:58:24 GMT -8
gabbyYou got left feet. Thanks for the humor.
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Post by gabby on Jan 18, 2017 15:11:26 GMT -8
Regarding insoles, my husband swears by Superfeet; I have been using custom orthotics for the last 20 years (the same ones for 20 years, come to think of it). My kids use the insoles that are in whatever shoes they get hold of and seem happy. It's really up to you if you use some, but if you do use them, use them when trying on the boots because they can change everything. Yet another thing I failed to note: I too have orthotics, but I am guilty of not wearing them all the time. Along with the bunion problem I have with my right foot, I also suffer from "Morton's foot" (2 nd toe longer than the first) and "Morton's pneuroma", which means my (now ancient, like yours) orthotic inserts have a "relief area" right below the 2 nd metatarsal on the 2 nd toe. I actually went around with a set of Dr. Scholl's inserts with a cavity removed at the same location on my right footbed, for the same reason as the design of the orthotic, for years. I remember mistakenly wearing shoes with these "handcrafted orthotics" in them in Hawaii long ago whilst fording a stream along a jungle trail. In the hotel later, I sat there with my soaked insert with the hole and bemoaned that I'd now have to go to an ABC Pharmacy or a mall and find more insoles to cut up. The Superfeet I use are the "green".
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Post by gabby on Jan 18, 2017 15:28:06 GMT -8
I went overboard with the thread/tread bit... yesterday I posted on FB about springing a leek, (it was a photo of a leek in flower) so a friend came up with this (We are going so far afield - and it's my fault!) Your video is classic! I sent a copy out to my "correspondents"! One of the only words my iPhone's Siri can never spell is "leek" - always comes up "leak". I likes me some leeks (in the morning on a bagel with lox and cream cheese, in the evenings on my salad)! My now deceased Mom gave me leeks to grow - they are so easy! - and, until those played out because of violently aggressive weeds, lantana, wandering jew and assorted "garbage bushes", I had free ones every day. I recently found (to continue "nattering" and "chuntering" along) that green onions from the grocer keep better in the ground in a planter outside (at least in the summer) than they do in the fridge. I wasted untold green onions until I found that out from a young lady somewhere I was "chatting up". (I "chat up" everyone!) Leeks from the grocer are, however, more sensitive to soil type, and didn't fare nearly as well. I'll try something more porous next year.
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Post by gabby on Jan 18, 2017 16:09:10 GMT -8
You got left feet. Thanks for the humor. My wife was somewhat unhappy with my taking that photo on the dining room table! I do have the "right feet", but they have the "wrong problems", and a lot of them.
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Post by topshot on Jan 18, 2017 19:43:55 GMT -8
If they both fit about the same on your foot, then which has the nicer color scheme? I'd make sure you test them on an incline board for a while to see if that highlights any fit discrepancies. Properly fitting socks is critical, too. Need to be snug but not tight. You don't want any bunching of material. As long as I'm wearing good socks I don't really care what the shoe is as long as it's not too tight anywhere and not waterproof so it will drain easily and dry quicker. No blisters even though I walk through creeks all the time. Just make sure you let your feet dry at night.
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Post by ErnieW on Jan 19, 2017 5:48:11 GMT -8
I have had several pair of the Moab's and really like them. But I use them as day to day foot wear and for maybe nature walks but not hiking. Due to many sprained ankles playing Ultimate disc I need ankle support on rougher trails.
I have worn the Moab's until they are falling apart but they never failed catastrophically which might speak to how they are built in general.
But one thing the experience taught me is that even though they were the same model from the same manufacturer each pair was different.
So my advice is to take recommendations with a grain of salt. A two year old pair of Moab's that someone raves about my not be the Moab's you are looking at buying.
As you progress in your experience you will go through what many here have, the sadness of a great pair of boots/shoes hitting end of life and needing to be retired and replaced. They become like a close friend.
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Post by hikerchick395 on Jan 19, 2017 10:01:07 GMT -8
And to expand on what ErnieW said...there is supposed to be a major (design?) change with the tried and true Moabs. I just got another pair for my husband and the local shop had bought a lot of inventory, knowing this info. I bought these without him trying them on and, luckily, they fit just like his old ones. (But I'll agree that even two pairs of the same shoes a one given time may fit differently than one another.)
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Post by higuy111 on Jan 19, 2017 13:31:32 GMT -8
My 2¢ Today, where boots are seemingly throw-away...glued on soles...500 tough miles and done. No benefit in paying $250+ for those 5-color ads touting known manufacturer's "quality" hiking boots...better @ $125. A few years back tried the Moab Ventilators...but unlike your pick, liked the mids, non GTX model better...Think they were $140. No break in period, (the Keens needed a bit) and surprisingly, the Moabs were super comfy (for me), right out of the box. BTW, on my 3rd pair now in 5 years...still only ~500 - 600 miles (1+ good season and done) but light, good traction, and dry quickly. YMMV How about leather stitched boots? Are they throw-away as well?
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Post by higuy111 on Jan 19, 2017 13:34:49 GMT -8
the first two on the left have the classic Carrarmato thread [sic] I know: the 2 oldest ones in the bunch. The Raichles clearly (if you could enlarge the picture enough) say "Montagna Bloc", the hardest (I think) of the soles available at the time - stiff too. (FYI: I know you meant "tread".) I apologize to the OP for going so far afield. These days - like feet thinking for you about prospective "covers" - my fingers seem to "think" for me, typing along and saying pretty much whatever I happen to be thinking, mostly w/o editing. I journalled (not a word?) for a few years a while back, pumping out almost a thousand pages a year (or so) - I'm sure those who've been around here for a while have seen my "raw notes" (which, as I recall, I actually published on a thread about religion in which I engaged with the notorious kenv - that, and most all of my other compositional perambulations, are huge (yuuuge) unreadable mistakes as well as being a case of overly loquacious, voluble (not really - is there a word for nattering, chattering excess (specifically, in writing, not "speaking")? What the British call "chuntering"?) I don't recall the specific thread (...) I think it must have resided on one of the previous incarnations of this forum. Further "garrulation": synonyms: talkative, loquacious, voluble, verbose, chatty, chattering, gossipy; effusive, expansive, forthcoming, conversational, communicative; informalmouthy, gabby, gassy, windy, having the gift of (the) gab, motormouthed "a garrulous old man" long-winded, wordy, verbose, prolix, long, lengthy, rambling, wandering, maundering, meandering, digressive, diffuse, discursive; gossipy, chatty; informalwindy, gassy "his garrulous reminiscences" See? My "nickname/appellation" is right there in the definition of the word!The boots on the leftmost are both the old style "Norwegian welt" - the rest are, sadly, "glued on". :( Please, carry on. I like you!
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Post by higuy111 on Jan 19, 2017 13:38:39 GMT -8
Regarding insoles, my husband swears by Superfeet; I have been using custom orthotics for the last 20 years (the same ones for 20 years, come to think of it). My kids use the insoles that are in whatever shoes they get hold of and seem happy. It's really up to you if you use some, but if you do use them, use them when trying on the boots because they can change everything. Thanks Rebecca! Can you recommend any fireproof boots? :D
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Post by markskor on Jan 19, 2017 16:05:42 GMT -8
How about leather stitched boots? Are they throw-away as well? Well, no...still a place for stitched soles...(Old school?) But considering the long break-in regime usually needed for stitched leather boots like the classic Italian Sundowners... that well-made boots which have stitched soles (few and far between today) can cost upwards of $400+, www.backcountry.com/merrell-wilderness-backpacking-boot-mens?rr=t and the difference in weight...sigh, Would rather bite the bullet - spend $125 every year or so - as most boot manufacturers today seem to have jumped on the lighter-weight trail-runner type bandwagon.
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Post by vicioustom on Jan 19, 2017 20:05:55 GMT -8
How about leather stitched boots? Are they throw-away as well? Take a look at the more tradition Danner style boot, could theoretically last a lifetime if maintained properly and resoled as needed, but they have some weight. Heavy, but like having little tanks strapped to your feet and they are comfy once broken in, which takes a while. The big problem with these types of old school boots, and I've had several pairs by different makers is the lasts they are made on. You either have a foot that's close to the lasts contours, or you're going to be uncomfortable.
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Post by toejam on Jan 20, 2017 5:44:53 GMT -8
It's not a bad thing that most modern boots are disposable. I think if you are considering Keens & Moabs you should buy both - that's the only way to really know which you like better. Then buy a few more pair of the ones you like for when the first ones wear out, or go with something completely different. I've loved several boots/shoes in the store that didn't work out in the woods, but never spent a lot of money on any of them.
If the heavy leather boots you are looking at have fabric & foam on the inside, they won't last forever. The inside material probably won't last any longer than the soles.
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Post by higuy111 on Jan 21, 2017 2:38:52 GMT -8
How about leather stitched boots? Are they throw-away as well? Take a look at the more tradition Danner style boot, could theoretically last a lifetime if maintained properly and resoled as needed, but they have some weight. Heavy, but like having little tanks strapped to your feet and they are comfy once broken in, which takes a while. The big problem with these types of old school boots, and I've had several pairs by different makers is the lasts they are made on. You either have a foot that's close to the lasts contours, or you're going to be uncomfortable. When you said that, I remembered when I first got my "proper??" shoes from the store. Me and my family were walking in the city, so I decided to wear them straight away... I really liked those shoes how they look, but there was a problem - my heels were hurting like hell after few minutes. Only after almost 9 years I can wear them without feeling pain. I'm still expecting it though :D
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Post by bluefish on Jan 21, 2017 6:25:40 GMT -8
How about leather stitched boots? Are they throw-away as well? Take a look at the more tradition Danner style boot, could theoretically last a lifetime if maintained properly and resoled as needed, but they have some weight. Heavy, but like having little tanks strapped to your feet and they are comfy once broken in, which takes a while. The big problem with these types of old school boots, and I've had several pairs by different makers is the lasts they are made on. You either have a foot that's close to the lasts contours, or you're going to be uncomfortable. My Danner Lights, with re-soles have gone over 25 years. However, I almost never wear them anymore. My feet have gotten larger with age and they are now tight with just liner socks. The plastic heel cup insoles became brittle and broke years ago. They are too heavy for anything over 5 miles for me, now. They truly were very near waterproof with hot mink oil applications. I'm happy with the Keens and Merrels. I paid 200 for the Danners, they are now pushing 400. I could buy 3 pairs of Wolverine Dura-Shock work boots for the same price and have close to the same results with greater comfort. As a builder, they're my work boots for framing, masonry, general rough use. Old Merrels and Keens for roofing and interior work.
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