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Post by huntnhike on Jan 14, 2017 20:12:48 GMT -8
My wife and I are replacing our Eureka Apex 2xt (over 7 pounds with footprint) and are looking at the following as a replacement:
---Nemo Dagger 3P
---REI Quarter Dome 3
---Big agnes Seedhouse SL3
---Big agnes Copper Spur UL3 (mtnglo, HV, etc)
I like the Quarter Dome and Copper spur best, but we are looking for input on durability, ease of set up, and best use for 30-40 degree nights with possible light frost/snow in the September- October months here in WY. I'm not sure the BA is worth the extra $$$ over the REI, and I prefer the 2 Door on the REI and Copper Spur over the single door Seedhouse/ flycreek models.
We are also replacing our synthetic 4-5 pound sleeping bags for down quilts, possibly 10*F for her, 20*F for me. We are not sure which company has better quality fabrics for the cost: Enlightened equipment Revelation, Hammock gear Burrow or Underground Flight jacket.
I'm leaning towards the Copper Spur and the Underground quilts...
Any opinions?
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Post by tigger on Jan 14, 2017 23:27:58 GMT -8
A tent has little to do with temps. There is no insulation. If anything, you should be looking at wind blowing inside your shelter. I can't think of a tent that can't handle light frost/snow. Each person looks at a tent for different reasons. For me, I care much less about features and tend to focus on weight and then durability. I can't form an opinion for you as my reasons will be different than yours. That said, BA and REI have good reputations in the tent industry.
I only have experience with Enlightened Equipment. My last purchase was the Revelation. All I can say is that they make a spectacular product that is well thought out. I haven't played with the others so I can't give you a direct comparison.
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Post by Westy on Jan 15, 2017 5:16:18 GMT -8
My tent procurement has been trending Hilleberg for the last ten years.
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Post by ErnieW on Jan 15, 2017 7:19:34 GMT -8
Maybe temps are a factor but maybe the issue is more ventilation under certain temps. A tent that roasts you when you have the screens closed to keep out the bugs on a warm summer night isn't desirable. A tent that collects moisture inside when you are hanging out on a cool raining day is a problem. A tent that rains frost down on you when it is somewhere below freezing is a nuisance.
This is where asking here pays. This is only something you can definitively tell from using a given tent under real world circumstances.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 15, 2017 7:34:39 GMT -8
I own a REI Quarter Dome 2 person tent. The design of tents like the Quarter puts pressure on the mesh where it meets at the zipper. Over time, all the tents I have owned, that puts pressure on the zipper meeting points have failed, Eventually, the zipper connection will pull apart. Yes, the seperation can be repaired, with some fiddling, but I care not for the design that puts a zipper connection point under pressure.
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Post by bluefish on Jan 15, 2017 10:27:41 GMT -8
Big Agnes has an excellent repair department and has a philosophy of fixing your tent rather than replacing it. I've got nothing but good to say of them. Our Fly Creek had 300 nights on it before a fly repair. Still in use. Admittedly, we take care of our equipment, but it did see hail, high winds, snow, and mountain thunderstorms. I did buy a larger, dual side entrance cottage industry tent that is an annoying POS. For less money I could have had the Copper Spur and been much happier.
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Post by gabby on Jan 15, 2017 18:26:29 GMT -8
I don't have any experience with a 3 person tent, but I have the (older versions) of both the Copper Spur UL1 and UL2. They are made of much lighter material than the Eureka you mention, but will be fine if you use what I suspect would be reasonable care for lightweight gear. ETA: I find that I actually failed to add anything of real value to this discussion in this post. I should have mentioned that I enjoy both of my BA Copper Spur tents, find them to be well constructed and designed, and relatively easy to set up, though I've become quite used to having the "whole thing go up" in the style of the Scarp 1, my one Big Sky "double wall" and the Hillebergs I own, so I don't really like the idea of "inner first, then fly" that much any more. Also, I have a few tents (the BA Copper Spurs are of this group) which use the poles I like to call "a tangled mess" - the ones which are all corded and connected into a massive lump. Some apparently love the things, but I find them ungainly to store and to use. They do a good job once erected and connected, but I fear that moment, one day, when a pole breaks or bends or chips. Like the ill-advised TV/VHS/DVD combo or the stereo receiver with record player/CD/cassette/etc. all in one handy-dandy package, I'm suspicious of massive failure in a big way. Hasn't happened yet, so, well... OTOH, I actually prefer the "cottage industry" tents I have (all Tarptent), and my Scarp 1 has been my "goto" for the last few years - and that's in spite of the fact that I have 4 Hillebergs. I love the design, fabric and attention to detail of the Hillebergs, but they are a bit heavier because of it. Before that, it was my old "Skunk", the TT Squall (called that because, in my horrible job at seam sealing I put talcum on to prevent the still wet silicone caulking from sticking to the rest of the tent, and the talcum became a permanent addition, resulting in a long stripe from the peak to the foot) - which I still have. (I never throw anything out.) And before the Squall, it was my "ancient" floorless TT Virga.  Not my picture! |
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Post by crawford on Jan 18, 2017 6:54:40 GMT -8
If you are looking at bags at all, take a look at Outdoor Vitals. They don't have quilts, but do have a nice 20 degree rectangular down bag that can be opened as a technical blanket, serve as a sleeping bag, or used as an under quilt with a hammock. I like it and the price is great.
You won't go wrong with HG Burrows, price is a little more but quality is very good. Weight is very favorable as well.
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Post by zeke on Jan 18, 2017 7:41:05 GMT -8
I own 2 Underground Quilts, and like them both very much. I have been touting them ever since.
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Post by dirthurts on Jan 18, 2017 17:06:59 GMT -8
My wife and I are replacing our Eureka Apex 2xt (over 7 pounds with footprint) and are looking at the following as a replacement: ---Nemo Dagger 3P ---REI Quarter Dome 3 ---Big agnes Seedhouse SL3 ---Big agnes Copper Spur UL3 (mtnglo, HV, etc) I've personally owned each of those tents, and by far I would recommend the Copper Spur HV. It's large, spacious, reliable, and very light weight. The Dagger has condensation issues and it's flimsy. The seedhouse is a bit less convenient to crawl in and out of, plus less gear storage. The REI is just a bit bulky and heavy. I use a Nemo Siren quilt. Maybe consider that. I haven't tried any that you've mentioned, but it's hard to go wrong with a quilt. |
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Post by topshot on Jan 18, 2017 19:48:23 GMT -8
FWIW, Enlightened Equipment is well regarded for their product quality and service.
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