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Post by ddinntk on Jan 5, 2017 12:13:01 GMT -8
Hi everyone, I'm planning a backpack trip next September to Kings Canyon/Sequoia. We'll be flying in to Fresno, so need to start on the west side. Trip will be 5 friends in late 40s, in shape, and with backpacking experience. We'll have 4 days/3 nights in the backcountry.
I've heard great things about the Rae Lakes Loop, but concerned that everyone describes it as "very popular". I'm hoping that going in September will mean fewer people in general, but not sure.
Are there other good options to consider?
Thanks for the help!
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Post by davesenesac on Jan 5, 2017 23:29:54 GMT -8
Unless your group regularly long distance hikes, 3 nights over the Rae Lakes loop is strenuous without much time to do anything but hike trails each day.
Sierra South by Wilderness Press is the decades old classic guide for Southern Sierra Nevada backpacking. My 1975 edition shows that loop as (trail/layover/(total) days:
Leisurely 8/2/(10) Moderate 6/2/(8) Strenuous 4/1/(5)
Thus yes 4 days with 3 nights and no layovers is regularly done by the most capable. Generally approaches from west side trailheads to reach popular crest areas take backpackers two days to reach with first day destinations rather boring. Conversely many east side approaches are just one day. The closest east side approach destination would be Cottonwood Basin in the John Muir Wilderness of Inyo National Forest that is up the southernmost spur road off US 395 along the Eastern Sierra. A very scenic destination with lots of lakes and relatively modest hiking. (Board software annoyingly mangles links so copy link text and paste into browser address bar.)
mapper.acme.com/?ll=36.47462,-118.19220&z=14&t=T
It is 175 miles from Bakersfield via State Route 178 Walker Pass to the Cottonwood Lakes trailhead.
Otherwise Lodgepole campground to Twin Lakes and or Ranger Lake via Silliman Pass would be efficient.
mapper.acme.com/?ll=36.65248,-118.71379&z=14&t=T
Further north via SR168 out of Fresno in the John Muir Wilderness will recommend Graveyard Lakes basin:
mapper.acme.com/?ll=37.41165,-118.95480&z=13&t=T
Camp at the second lake at 10000+.
David
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Post by ddinntk on Jan 8, 2017 17:03:29 GMT -8
Thanks for the advice David. Lots of good stuff there. I agree that Rae Lakes loop would be too much for 4 days. I'm assuming we could alter the route a bit and still see some cool stuff up there. I read Paradise Valley is around there, and sounded cool. I'm going to pick up Sierra South as well and maybe cobble something cool together. The Twin Lakes/Ranger Lake might be a good option too.
I think we need to stick with west side entry points due to the need to be semi close to Fresno. I can't afford to spend 4-5 hours in the car.
Thanks again.
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Post by toejam on Jan 9, 2017 7:36:09 GMT -8
Generally approaches from west side trailheads to reach popular crest areas take backpackers two days to reach with first day destinations rather boring. The notable exception to this is Mineral King where there are a bunch of alpine lakes within 6 miles of the parking lot. Several loop opportunities as well. Marmots won't eat your car in September. Avoid camping at Lower Monarch Lake and you can't go wrong. The Tablelands out of Lodgepole is worth considering if you think you can find your way without a trail. Easy country to navigate. Florence Lake takes you to the good stuff quickly. You obviously need another day, but whatever. You'll love it.
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Post by ddinntk on Jan 14, 2017 16:30:52 GMT -8
Thanks Toejam. I just came across Mineral King as well, and love the idea of a loop in that area. I'm seeing a bunch of options around Little 5 lakes, Sawtooth Pass, etc.
Based on what I'm reading, I don't think we'll be able to pull off a 4 day Rae Lakes loop unless we're killing ourselves everyday. And that doesn't sound fun.
Do you think a loop hike out of Mineral King is better than a out-n-back from the Roads End trailhead (to Reflection Lake and back)?
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Post by toejam on Jan 15, 2017 22:40:51 GMT -8
Do you think a loop hike out of Mineral King is better than a out-n-back from the Roads End trailhead (to Reflection Lake and back)? There are a lot more options out of Mineral King and they are more scenic. Altitude can be an issue - you may not be able to do a 12,000' pass the first day. Hiking to Reflection Lake will keep you in a canyon for a long time. Have you considered Sphinx Lakes? I haven't been to Sphinx or Reflection, but both sound great. Dave S probably knows them.
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Post by High Sierra Fan on Jan 16, 2017 2:47:04 GMT -8
I'd second Mineral King. Lots if choices and it's a wonderful little Valley on its own. And for people on a time crunch avoiding the long forest slog of so many west side approaches is a benefit. Another option could be something out of Crescent Meadow that loops back to Lodgepole? Iirc White has a combined Sequoia Kings Canyon hikers guide (I have his two separated) that focuses in those two parks from Wilderness Press, the same outfit that publishes Sierra South etc. it might offer more options in your area of interest. And does include Mineral King. www.wildernesspress.com/product.php?productid=17064&cat=0&page=1Getting to Sphinx is a lot of "up" iirc, 5k+ vertical. I went that way one October and got maybe 6 inches of snow dropped on us. Fun in its way... route finding got surprisingly tricky. , www.wildernesspress.com/home.php?xid=0ada3b7b07cbe66c38669c85ae478ea1
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Post by rebeccad on Jan 16, 2017 10:17:17 GMT -8
Toejam covered what I was going to say. We did a 4-night, 5-day loop out of Mineral King, but strong hikers could easily do it in 3 nights (we took what amounted to a layover day in the middle to spend more time exploring the Big and Little Five Lakes areas). That was over Timber Gap, up over Blackrock Pass, and back around via Sawtooth Pass.
On that trip we met a young woman who was doing a 4-day loop from Crescent Meadow--past Bearpaw, through the Kaweah Gap, over Blackrock Pass, and back through Redwood Meadow to Bearpaw and Crescent Meadows. I couldn't do that kind of mileage, I don't think, but she seemed to be generally happy.
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Post by davesenesac on Jan 16, 2017 16:19:52 GMT -8
I didn't think Mineral King was a wise choice. The drive is one of the most tedious windiest on the west slopes. Going over either Sawtooth Pass or Franklin Pass requires 4000 feet of vertical thus would be quite strenuous to do so in a single day. On a 3 night trip one could layover on day 3 then walk out the full distance on the last day. However a lot of effort that is makes more sense with longer trips.
But then there is the Mosquito Lakes Trail. Not as spectacular and could hike in the first day then move camp locations short distance to Mosquito and Mineral Lakes. It would be a reasonable choice though I think Graveyard Lakes is a much more interesting choice although it is not inside SEKI.
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Post by High Sierra Fan on Jan 17, 2017 2:01:59 GMT -8
Funny, I love that drive. Not simply because the destination is so wonderfull, I just like that road.
Well, people's mileage varies.
Granted I drive it in a sports car not a lumbering RV, now those drivers don't ever seem to be having a good time up that road. Lol
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Post by toejam on Jan 17, 2017 6:04:36 GMT -8
The road to Mineral King was kinda shocking the first time I drove it - one of my radiator fans got disconnected and the car overheated all the way up there. I didn't mind it the next couple times. Kaiser Pass Rd is arguably as bad, though not as long, with continuous one-lane blind hills & corners where you can't see oncoming traffic.
I'm in love with the pictures of Sphinx Lakes, but it's a 6000' climb up there and you'd need to do it in a day because there's not really a place to stop in the middle. I really wanna do it, maybe next summer on a 2-nighter.
Dave S' Graveyard Lakes suggestion is good. You could go from there over Goodale Pass & Silver Pass, and catch the boat back across the lake to party with the JMT hikers at Vermillion Valley Resort.
As I said, there are a lot of good options out of Mineral King, but here's something I'm familiar with that has non-stop world class scenery with reasonable climbs and mileage. Mineral King to Franklin Lakes day 1, over Franklin Pass down Soda Ck and up to Big Five Lakes day 2, past Little Five Lakes over Black Rock Pass and down to Spring Lake day 3, over Glacier Pass and back to Mineral King day 4. Have burgers, beer & pie at Silver City.
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Post by toejam on Jan 17, 2017 6:14:42 GMT -8
Another thing - read a bunch of trip reports on High Sierra Topix. Although some involve super-human climbs & milage, you'll get some great ideas.
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Post by High Sierra Fan on Jan 17, 2017 6:18:32 GMT -8
Another thing - read a bunch of trip reports on High Sierra Topix. Although some involve super-human climbs & milage, you'll get some great ideas. Ever been to Crystal Lake or Amphitheater? Fastest alpine fix I know of. There are stopping places along the way to the Sphinx drainage. I've stayed there. Snowed on too. Nothing overly memorable, but functional. But out and backs have their own drawbacks...,
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Post by davesenesac on Jan 17, 2017 8:50:33 GMT -8
I have mileages and verticals worked out on spreadsheets for most of the routes out of MK.
mapper.acme.com/?ll=36.45146,-118.58792&z=15&t=T
(cut and paste link into address bar as HST forum software mugs the link)
Toejam at 4 days that is a strenuous beater itinerary haha. For strong ultralight backpackers not a big deal. The second day not only has long mileage but much vertical. In Wilderness Press guides anything over about 2500 is considered strenuous carrying average backpacking loads. But yeah it would work as a 5 day moderately strenuous trip though those places really deserves at least 2 layover days if one actually expects to enjoy anything but looking down at trails in those areas.
7820 MK trailhead 10300 Lower Franklin Lake -------------------------- +2480 -0
11840 Franklin Pass +1540 10240 Rattlesnake Creek -1600 10820 Little Clair saddle +580 8600 Soda Creek -2220 10300 Lost Canyon ridge +1700 9830 Big Five Lake (lowest) -470 --------------------------- +3820 -4290
10470 ridge +630 10250 traverse dip -220 11700 Black Rock Pass +1450 9880 Cliff Creek traverse -1820 10060 Spring Lake +180 ------------------------- +2260 -2040
11100 Glacier Pass +1040 7820 MK trailhead -3280 ---------------------------- +1040 -3280
trip +9600 -9600
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Post by ddinntk on Jan 18, 2017 12:57:07 GMT -8
Thanks so much everyone for the advice!! I'm going to get with my friends and let you know what we decide. So many options!
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