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Post by null on Nov 30, 2016 7:55:40 GMT -8
Is there some generally accepted etiquette towards hiker boxes? How about stuff left at shelters / huts / lean-tos?
On one hand I don't want to take stuff from people that actually need the items, but on the other hand the boxes are often overflowing with stuff that nobody will take because they don't need it, such as 50 hand warmers or 6 packages of Pasta Sides whatever.
Although I've never really needed anything from these boxes, I sometimes take stuff that looks interesting or that I know I will use at some point such as long cooking rice. Plus I always take borderline trash from shelters -- candles that are almost completely burned, nearly empty bug dope, clothing people just leave etc.
Anyway, I don't know if there's some convention regarding the boxes, but I'm curious what others think.
Thanks, Steve
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Post by Deleted on Nov 30, 2016 8:10:26 GMT -8
null From reading the journals of PCT hikers, for a number of years, the items in a hiker box are abandoned; take it and use it. Hiker boxes, on the PCT, are, from time to time, purged of their contents. Purging is done by emptying the hiker box into the trash. If ‘you’ do not take what’s in the hiker boxes, the contents will be added to the landfills or the Great Pacific Garbage Patch.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 30, 2016 8:38:14 GMT -8
Found it.
A store in the town of Belden, California has four hiker boxes built on pallets, 4 feet high, with a lid. In 2015 the store in Belden, California emptied all four hikers boxes into the garbage, 4 times (16 hiker boxes of backpacking equipment dumped into the trash).
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Post by markskor on Nov 30, 2016 16:02:14 GMT -8
Interesting topic this - hiker box etiquette - Thoughts -
The hiker box - a place where thru hikers freely share unwanted items - ideally, a convenient, centrally located, "take only what you need, when doing the trail" food/gear stash. Why needed? - too much food sent, weight, bear/critter food lost on trail, sent food-box not at the Post Office, broken gear/ replacement, etc ...lots of legitimate reasons. The operative words here though are "thru hikers" and "trail". There's the rub.
Not really sure if their are "hard and fast" rules on etiquette - how hiker boxes operate. Generally, the "share; do what's right" theory works best, but... Depending on how popular the trail, time of year, if establishments are even willing to put up with all the hassle, real hiker need, retail competition, room, trash...each hiker box venue has slightly different rules depending on who's in charge.
In Tuolumne, especially when the PCT bubble came thru...20 - 50+ hikers a day, fresh from hiking over Donahue, soon find themselves standing in line at the Post Office, first collecting their pre-sent food parcels and bounce boxes, then spreading out on the tables, drinking beer, and repacking depleted backpacks. You should see it - It's a backpacker's zoo, a gear explosion... boxes, tubs, food, and backpacks strewn everywhere. Right here is where the critical food decisions are made...what food fits and soon to be packed up in bear cans, what is eaten immediately, and... whatever else is then first deemed "garbage."...as in "Anybody want any garbage?" "Garbage" in TM, a local hiker term meaning prime picking time, where the good stuff is...and the first-shared option among the real trail dirt bags. Sit among them, bring a six pack, a smile, and good karma,...join in, trade, be affable. A true but poor thru hiker can easily re-supply in an afternoon right here.
Semantically, at this time, these "garbage" pickin's are still considered pre-"hiker-box". Only after the swaps, trades, offers to friends, bartering... then whatever is left unpicked may go into the hiker box. Much of what makes it in are the usual - mashed potato, pasta, rice, and oatmeal packages, chocolate/ powdered milk, trail-mix, dried fruit, trail-bars, maps, partially filled peanut butter/nutella...not much in the desired freezer-bag meal category. Many donations are in ubiquitous un-labeled baggies. Much is not/should not even be allowed in the box as open, crushed, moldy, or too trashy.
The general rule is, once in the hiker box, if the hiker box is accessible, then anybody can put in/ take out anything within reason. Some hikers seem to think that the hiker box items are their right of passage. Put in trash/ take out anything. Not so. The hiker box (and the local rules governing its use) belongs to the establishment, as they will be responsible for keeping it clean, critter-safe, and for ultimately disposing of any end-of-season refuse.
Unfortunately, many found depleting the hiker box are not trail hikers but turds...free-loaders, not hikers, party-goers, no money, hangers on...living off of others, bums. In Tuolumne, the hiker box is under the control of Mike, the Postmaster there. He tries to limit free access to early mornings, when the real hikers, those who might need help, are having a last hot breakfast, getting ready to leave. If encountering someone obviously not hiking (been hanging out for a week), he does his best to not allow them first access...a tough decision this.
Some PCT stops have been known to re-sell hiker box items too. All hiker boxes are different. just my 2¢
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Post by swmtnbackpacker on Nov 30, 2016 16:10:29 GMT -8
I've seen them and put a few unwanted items in there during Sierra stops. No questions asked and I'm glad I helped someone out vs contributing to the dumpster.
Haven't really seen those in the Rockies -> Southwest though.
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Post by Westy on Nov 30, 2016 18:11:33 GMT -8
Interesting! New subject matter for me.
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Post by toejam on Nov 30, 2016 18:15:22 GMT -8
I'm also reminded of bear boxes that get used as hiker boxes in the Sierra. Sometimes people leave food caches in bear boxes, but others leave their cast-offs and it may not be clear what is meant for public consumption. Their aren't dumpsters nearby so rangers end up packing out a bunch of stuff.
I laughed my arse off at Vidette Meadow where a ranger left an angry note on a bear box saying, "SHOW SOME COMMITMENT PEOPLE!!!"
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Post by RumiDude on Nov 30, 2016 20:37:14 GMT -8
I don't put anything in the hiker box I would not eat myself. I also don't put in anything that isn't in original packaging.
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