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Post by dice on Nov 3, 2016 11:47:11 GMT -8
Ok, so I got back form yellow stone recently from a late season trip, hear I barely missed the snow. I'm but now I'm looking for a decent rectangle down bag that could be used as a quilt for 2 people. Hopeing it might also double as an under quilt..but that might be far fetched. so heres what I've been looking at www.moosejaw.com/moosejaw/shop/product_Big-Agnes-Big-Pine-Rectangular-Sleeping-Bag_10272414_10208_10000001_-1_www.enlightenedequipment.com/revelation/The relevation isn't quite what I'm looking for but it might do. The Big Pine is more what I want but still a bit lacking. the goal is to zip/snap/button together two single person bags to make a 2 person, so they may be used individually or together with a klymit V pad. I know down squishes and looses r value but the pad allows for some loft into it retaining some of the r value. What I thought would be nice is a bag with loops down the sides to run some shock cord down for an under quilt or attach like buttons or handles to to join the two bags into one for sleeping on a pad. Is there a custom bag manufacturer ? or does anyone know of some system like this? Or is this something I'm going to have to learn to make.. and if so what are some good resources, I've looked in the past and found Quest outfitters to be an apparently decent one. www.questoutfitters.com/ |
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Post by zeke on Nov 3, 2016 13:17:59 GMT -8
Two Western mountaineering bags are semi rectangular and zip to an under sheet that has fabric bands on the back to keep the 20 inch wide pads in place. I suppose one could cut them and add in some fabric or elastic so they would accommodate a 25 inch wide pad. Neither is cheap, but they both are very good and will last you for decades. For that price, I'd be looking at Underground Quilts $350 20º Mity lite $370 40º Ponderosa $630 20º
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Post by reuben on Nov 3, 2016 15:28:38 GMT -8
Feathered Friends, another excellent small manufacturer, has some semi-rectangular bags, and may be suitable for your intent if coupled with one of their groundsheets. |
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Post by crawford on Nov 3, 2016 15:56:32 GMT -8
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Post by dice on Nov 3, 2016 16:37:09 GMT -8
you both have some awesome suggestions as they use 900 fill power, but I'm fond of the square baffles..I know weight but it's kinda no fuss, just shake it out and crawl in but I'm not opposed to the tube baffles entirely.
I've read good things about feathered friends and UGQ is new to me.
I have a tough time with tapered bags and quilts for whatever reason..I know I can't do mummies because of how much I roll all ways end up way inside the bag or with the hood on my face, and under my mat.
I'm getting a klymit double mat for Christmas (it was either that or a squatty potty lol) the Condor looks almost perfect if it whern't so heavy for the 20 degree one(3 pounds). The hope here is to get two bags and zip or attach them to each other, one to use as a bottom and another as a top, sense it will still kinda loft and insulate into the pad some.
The zippers are interesting, could all ways get another zipper and zip on a thing to use it as an under quilt
I do have a merino blanket I scooped up on sale, that is like a nice 2 person sheet or bag liner.
I hope to read more suggestions yet...I have almost 8 months to make a decision when winter is over.
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Post by dice on Nov 3, 2016 16:46:28 GMT -8
that is what I'm looking for, but in a 20..I have messaged the company. good find. |
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Post by rebeccad on Nov 3, 2016 19:54:44 GMT -8
As someone who has used a bag/sheet system to make a double bag...we gave it up because it is always drafty about the neck. It's also a bit too cosy for most purposes (like sleeping). I think that it's also a problem because it is hard to adjust if one partner is warmer than the other. A pair of backpacking quilts seems like the most effective way to get easy access to shared space but still sleep warm.
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Post by tigger on Nov 3, 2016 20:02:16 GMT -8
As someone who has used a bag/sheet system to make a double bag...we gave it up because it is always drafty about the neck. It's also a bit too cosy for most purposes (like sleeping). I think that it's also a problem because it is hard to adjust if one partner is warmer than the other. A pair of backpacking quilts seems like the most effective way to get easy access to shared space but still sleep warm. This - I had the exact same experience. I still have my two bags that zip together. Drafty around the neck and I was overheated while she was cold. Everytime one of of us would move, it would wake the other. I own an Enlightened Revelation quilt. All I can say is...they rock and live up to the hype. I used it on the Greenland ice sheet for a month. |
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Post by rebeccad on Nov 3, 2016 20:05:17 GMT -8
own an Enlightened Revelation quilt. All I can say is...they rock and live up to the hype. I used it on the Greenland ice sheet for a month. We have got to get quilts. Probably a warmer one for me (I can use my 32-deg. bag as a quilt in warm conditions but sometimes want just a touch more insulation) and, ironically, a less warm one for the spouse, who uses his 20-deg bag happily until temps move up towards the 50 line. |
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Post by dayhiker on Nov 3, 2016 20:42:20 GMT -8
I haven't used them (with someone else) but FF has an independent hood, it also has a full rect. model as opposed to semi-rect: featheredfriends.com/down-sleeping-bags/double-bags.htmlIt also has a double all the time bag. ===== Oh, I just noticed they have a quilt, which they say can be used for two if not too cold (unzipped). That is the way I use my Penquin, esp. in a hammock, pulling up the zipper (I put it on top) as it becomes colder. |
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Post by trinity on Nov 4, 2016 4:50:33 GMT -8
Hopeing it might also double as an under quilt..but that might be far fetched. My Jacks R Better Shenandoah can also be used as an underquilt. It's only good down to the mid 40s, but you might look into the Hudson River or the Old Rag Mountain. The Hudson River with an ounce of overstuff might be just about right. They are on sale right now, and a pretty amazing value for what you get. Jacks R Better also makes larger quilts, but I don't think they would work as an underquilt. Their large quilts are also on sale. |
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Post by dice on Nov 4, 2016 7:37:40 GMT -8
I imagine the hudson river might do well with 2 ounce over stuff. My Jacks R Better Shenandoah can also be used as an underquilt. is it essentially the same as the husdon, and old rag? just a 40 degree? it's interesting to think about joining them in the middle rather than the sides, left and right versus top and bottom. As someone who has used a bag/sheet system to make a double bag...we gave it up because it is always drafty about the neck. This - I had the exact same experience. I still have my two bags that zip together. Drafty around the neck and I was overheated while she was cold. we usually don't go camping when it gets down below freezing, but she definitely needs more warmth and I just still a foot or a leg out and do well, we havn't had much issue with drafty ness yet. We're option of a large continous pad because we do snuggle most of the night in the middle..or if you raft pads, the rift, or valley of coldness. Useually if shes cold she will just put a hat and socks on, or leggings and we're good, everyones a bit different, but I can see how this would not work for most. We even like to use our current quilt at home or on the road to friends and family because we don't do the whole stealing covers back and forth all night with it. Thank you two for the cautionary tales however. [edit] We may be finding ourselves in the same situation, wich is why I'm looking at the multi functionality quilts/bags, aside from the fact we both enjoy our hammock set ups. |
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Post by rebeccad on Nov 4, 2016 7:40:59 GMT -8
if you raft pads, the rift, or valley of coldness. LOL! Yeah, I've been there! It's funny, though--I overheat (a lot) in the night, but even when I'm too warm overall, I can't stand any draft on the back of my neck. Makes for interesting configurations, which is why a quilt is my best option. |
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Post by dice on Nov 4, 2016 7:45:43 GMT -8
we are both primarily stomach sleepers and often sleep under our pillows if that makes sense, if we aren't cuddling. The quilts are definately a favourite, I sleep as well in a quilt in the tent as I do at home.
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Post by trinity on Nov 4, 2016 8:00:04 GMT -8
ssentially the same as the husdon, and old rag? just a 40 degree? Exactly. It is a flat, rectangular, no frills quilt. Jacks R Better sells a suspension system (basically just some mini-biners and shock cord) to hang as an underquilt. Probably doesn't seal as well as a dedicated underquilt, but it works. |
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