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Post by High Sierra Fan on Oct 3, 2016 16:05:00 GMT -8
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johnnyray
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Post by johnnyray on Oct 3, 2016 16:21:35 GMT -8
I love maps.
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Post by absarokanaut on Oct 3, 2016 16:24:12 GMT -8
Maps should be as the terrain they convey, permanent of purpose. Megabytes or whatever are ultimately far less reliable; and fleeting.
Thanks for the post HSF.
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Post by BigLoad on Oct 3, 2016 18:47:20 GMT -8
That was a satisfying article, although I would have enjoyed more. I hope the author's expressed surprise at the popularity of paper was a literary device and not truly genuine. I'd consider the difference in utility to be readily apparent to anyone who navigates much by map data (as o pposed to GPS proximity to a digital track). |
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Post by CompassRds on Oct 4, 2016 4:30:29 GMT -8
If the article author: Daniela Blei is the same you get doing a quick search then likely literary device. But I also wouldn't be surprised if she were a technophile and had some belief in the superiority/popularity of technology. Can't find the post now, but I thought I saw one in the archives with someone either forced-off trail or who used their PLB after their GPS failed, not a member, but related story.
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Post by High Sierra Fan on Oct 4, 2016 13:13:43 GMT -8
People get off track relying on their vehicle nav system routinely. Just like they get lost and die carrying paper maps.
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Post by BigLoad on Oct 4, 2016 20:06:21 GMT -8
People get off track relying on their vehicle nav system routinely. Just like they get lost and die carrying paper maps. True, but it's a lot easier to accurately orient a big paper map to the landscape than to do the same with a few square inches of screen. It's all about how many features you have to work with how accurately you can measure the angles between them. At least in that regard, I'm drawing a distinction between paper and electronic maps rather than paper maps vs. gps. The latter is great for position, but not so good for context. |
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Post by Westy on Oct 4, 2016 20:20:47 GMT -8
Just call me Pro-Paper Map to the Max Guy. Been enjoying looking, planning and day dreaming with maps since I could read. It's, as noted above, ritualistic to take out a map for review. My primary navigation tools are a map and altimeter.
PS: I laminate them too.
Thanks for posting the article HSF!
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Post by High Sierra Fan on Oct 4, 2016 22:57:23 GMT -8
People get off track relying on their vehicle nav system routinely. Just like they get lost and die carrying paper maps. True, but it's a lot easier to accurately orient a big paper map to the landscape than to do the same with a few square inches of screen. It's all about how many features you have to work with how accurately you can measure the angles between them. At least in that regard, I'm drawing a distinction between paper and electronic maps rather than paper maps vs. gps. The latter is great for position, but not so good for context. Certainly true that absent the gps function the electronic map's screen of the digital map is quite crippled. Though I've liked using it for viewing "over" adjacent ridge lines by putting the unit in pointer mode and swinging the view until it displayed what was over the horizon, but that was with the gps functioning to orient my position. The overall context out miles and kilometers is where the mapsheet shines that's totally true. Such as I'd never plan a trip by looking at my handheld device screen versus just laying out a big mapsheet on my desk (or floor). Though for some things the desktop monitor display is a close second. Zoom in and out etc. get mileage to non trail places with some drawing. ETA: Harrison's digital maps will display a location icon: they're not simply passive map displays. They pull in the location from the device gps. |
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Post by CompassRds on Oct 5, 2016 3:42:45 GMT -8
All talk of death/injury via GPS/map/lack of map aside, Harrison's maps are definitely beautiful.
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Post by tarol on Oct 5, 2016 4:39:57 GMT -8
Thanks for the article, I'm a big fan of his maps, they outsold any other kind in the forest and park offices I worked in in California. I also had the pleasure of talking to him when he was updating the Golden Trout Wilderness map and developing the Cucamonga Wilderness map. There was a key trail that was missing on the FS Cucamonga Wilderness map and I made sure he had it correct for his map. Nice and very talented guy!
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Post by tarol on Oct 5, 2016 4:42:22 GMT -8
Oh and all the times I ever dealt with a missing person (almost daily in some offices I worked) the persons who were lost were never carrying a good paper map. Many were relying on electronic Google maps.
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