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Post by Deleted on Jul 21, 2015 8:27:04 GMT -8
We're heading for our first international hiking trip this fall. Previously all my hiking has been in warm or even hot weather, so I'm thrown off by the weather we're going to encounter and am struggling with what layers I'm going to need. We'll be in Switzerland in late September-- accuweather says the historical average high is mid-60s and low is mid-40s. Weather can be somewhat unpredictable and quickly changeable as well, though more likely rain showers than snow that time of year.
We'll be doing day hikes, staying at the same location at night, but there will be days we're gone from sun up to sun down. Nothing we're doing will involve more than our own feet-- no mountaineering or ice climbing or anything like that. Just a lot of good old hiking.
We're also trying to keep in mind that this is only half our trip, with the other half spent touring cities, so I need to make room in my one carry-on size bag for non-hiking clothes as well. This means anything with a double function (like functions on the trail but looks good in town) is even better.
Below I put what I'm thinking I'll need for the hiking portion. I'd love feedback on this to see if I'm heading in the right direction. I'm a cold natured person but I also know we'll be working up a sweat, so I've gotten myself all confused. There are some questions peppered in there too. Thanks!
2 poly base-layer long-sleeve tops 1 fleece-lined poly base long-sleeve top for particularly cold days 1 button-up poly shirt 1 merino wool zip-up midlayer sweater (looking at an Icebreaker one right now, looks nice enough to be for city use too). do I want a fleece instead? windbreaker fleece? 1 soft shell jacket? or do I want a windbreaker jacket instead? or maybe a soft shell that's windproof? do I want a hood? 1 waterproof shell jacket with hood, pocketable 1 pair waterproof shell pants (for wearing over others in storm), pocketable 2 pairs poly pants (1 is zip off) 1 pair poly tights (tried icebreaker wool tights, itched like crazy) 1 pair hiking boots 3 pair smartwool hiking socks 1 buff-like wrap for ears/head 1 pair merino gloves waterproof lightweight backpack
So given all this, on a really cold day I could have on a fleece lined top, button up shirt, merino sweater, soft shell, waterproof shell, tights, pants, boots, wool socks, + buff and gloves. On a warm day I could be in just the button up with sleeves rolled up, pants, socks, boots.
Is this too much? Is there something else I'm missing? Any advice is much appreciated!
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Post by Deleted on Jul 21, 2015 9:01:15 GMT -8
Idahowalker, that makes sense, but I was concerned about the breathability of something that's totally waterproof. I don't want to drown in my own sweat. ;) Any specific jacket suggestions that may function as both? Even if it's a men's style I can go off the details to shop around. ETA: maybe something like the Outdoor Research Aspire? link Or the Helium II? link
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Post by Deleted on Jul 21, 2015 10:38:20 GMT -8
Ben2world, thanks! I should have mentioned that my hiking boots are solid black and will be wearable the rest of the trip, thankfully. In looking around, I had put the Houdini on my possibilities list along with the Marmot DriClime windshirt (women's version seems to be the Stride). It looks like they do a good job of blocking wind and being lightweight but also somewhat breathable. I would imagine the wind is what's going to make me most cold-- as long as the sun is out, even mid-50s I'd probably be ok hiking in one layer plus a wind blocker. I hadn't thought about an UL down. Do you tend to wear that above or below the wind jacket? I suppose it solves somewhat the same problem as the merino mid-layer sweater I had on my list, but may be more light weight for packing. By the way, I also think convertible pants are terrible, but they were a panic purchase on the way to a tropical hike last year. I never even unzipped them. Trying not to make panic purchases this time around.
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Post by johnnyray on Jul 21, 2015 17:45:55 GMT -8
On the Marmot DriClime issue I have some and really like them. Started with the wind shirt, light weight, breathable, and surprising warmth. Found a DriClime jacket on sale and grabbed it (impulse) same material but has a draw cord hem and neck, also 2 hand warmer pockets and an outer chest pocket with a place for ear bud cord, the fact it seals up makes it even warmer. These are not for bush wacking at all, the shell material is very thin. They will handle a light shower or mist and dry pretty quickly, especially in less humid locales i.e. western US and higher altitudes. I also use the jacket for bike rides although the fit is kind of loose, it's a bright blue and it works for me.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 21, 2015 18:51:19 GMT -8
I'm thinking the driclime may be good for my husband. He'll need fewer layers than I will. The houdini would probably be good for him too though. I have a highly rated fleece and a houdini in my cart for myself right now. Can't bring myself to get a down, I know I won't wear it when I'm home but I will wear a fleece. Now if I could just find some pants that fit... at least I know what to look for on those.
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Post by BigLoad on Jul 21, 2015 19:25:27 GMT -8
My choice for the hiking portion in those temps would be:
1. Long sleeve polyester shirt 2. Light or mid-weight wool baselayer 3. UL down jacket 4. Lightweight rain shell (Marmot Precip or the like) 5. Exoffico boxers (1 or 2 pairs, also part of regular clothes) 6. Long nylon pants 7. Wools socks (1 pair) 8. Rain pants (Optional, but less so if there will be rain at lower temps) 9. Cap or balaclava 10. Light gloves (fleece or wool)
If it were cooler, I'd add some wool long under bottoms. This is what I carry when I tack a week of hiking onto a business trip.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 22, 2015 14:02:16 GMT -8
Thanks, that's right in line with the plan I'm beginning to form, with a fleece-type jacket instead of the UL down. I didn't know nylon socks were a thing, I'm going to have to look into those. Wool, no matter how nice they say it is, always makes me itch and I can't stand it. Tried some nice Icebreaker tights once and wanted to scratch my legs off by the end of the day.
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Post by reuben on Jul 22, 2015 14:22:49 GMT -8
"mid-60s and low is mid-40s". That's just about perfect weather in my opinion, especially if the humidididity is low. I like to stay cool, but BL's list is a good one.
Regarding wool socks - try Smartwool or REI brands. I hate scratchy wool, and they don't bother me a bit.
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Post by amaruq on Aug 6, 2015 4:42:00 GMT -8
Wool is one of those things where the more you wear it, the more you get used to it.
A lot of good advice here and you already have a sound approach. You'll never get more flexibility than what you'll get out of mix-n-match layering.
The largest climate difference I've encountered in a single trip has been Toronto & NYC (awful January weather), Buenos Aires (hot!) & Ushuaia (rainy, comfortable) Argentina, and Antarctica (snow gear). I made the trip with two carry-on bags, mostly due to the snow gear taking up a carry-on on its own.
I'm a warm body, so I'd pack a bit different than you, but for your trip (with a warm place to sleep every night) I'd likely stick to the following:
- 1x wind/rain shell, pants and jacket, zippered armpits & inseam for ventilation. These can be found in pack-down-to-pocket size relatively easily. - 1x thin-medium weight wicking base layer, wool or poly as comfort and availability allow. The HH Dry is what I use. - 1x insulation mid-layer, for me that's just a full-zip poly fleece top and poly fleece bottoms (ie PJ pants). To be honest, I actually never wear the bottoms outside of a deep freeze, so they'd likely be left at home. Depending on the potential for colder days, I might double up on the tops. - 2x trendy adventure pants. In my case those would be two pairs of Royal Robbins with x% spandex for comfortable stretch and/or a nice fleece lined nylon shelled pant - 1x cool tuque/watch cap, maybe with a pompom at the top? - 2x pair of polypro glove liners (Auclair are my poison) - 2x city shirt. Can be substituted with stylish hiking shirts. - 1x hiking boots - 1x slip-on flats, the kind that are pared down and basic looking enough to go with everything, and pack nearly flat. - 1x swim shorts. Always. Never forget the swim trunks. - Socks to taste - Backpack to taste - gear bits: 1L bottle, universal power adapter, camera/SD/batt/charger, etc.
On the trails I'd just wear the base top and add the insulated and wind/rain tops as necessary. I opt to rely on my mid layers for warmth more than my base, so rather than bringing a thicker base-layer for colder days, I'd more sooner bring another or better mid-layer top. A stylish hiking shirt can be worn over the base for more warmth than just the base, but less than the mid (also for more modesty than just the base). I've got silly-warm hands, so I don't find I ever need more than thin glove liners, even when climbing ice. For colder hands, perhaps a combination of the glove liners and some fleece mittens for those bitter days.
The same idea for city-spelunking, but likely without the base. An alternative to the two pairs of footwear would be one pair of dark-coloured hiking shoes.
With a poly base layer, I might suggest bringing two as poly is not unlike black socks: the longer you wear it, the stronger it gets.
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Post by rebeccad on Aug 6, 2015 11:35:40 GMT -8
Well, when I was 25 I hiked up a random alp in November. There was snow on the ground. I wore blue jeans and tennis shoes and probably a fleece jacket, because that's what I had. I lived. I don't think you are going to need a ton of special stuff, but a thermal shirt and a rain jacket seem good. I use the lower end of WP/B jackets and they are fine. I seldom wear one while actually hiking anyway, so the limited breathability isn't a huge issue. Pack light, and have a great time! Oh--and I cannot wear the smartwool shirts and undies, but the socks give me no issues. I may have about the most sensitive skin on earth, so you might give them a chance. Wool has proven far and away the best for me, keeping its shape more than synthetic, and not abrading even when damp.
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Post by reuben on Aug 6, 2015 12:39:01 GMT -8
I do something like amaruq, give or take. It depends on where you're going, what conditions you expect, and your comfort level - warm or cold sleeper, etc.
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