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Post by BlueBear on Aug 4, 2016 9:18:15 GMT -8
I'm proud to share the results of a study I was part of, assessing the risk to buried Cold-War wastes left abandoned inside the Greenland ice sheet in the 1960's. It was assumed at the time that continuously falling snow would essentially bury them "for eternity". As such, little was done to mitigate the risks posed by the wastes (which include chemical, biological and radioactive wastes) when the base was abandoned in 1967. But in a changing climate, the site may begin melting out within the next 75 years and running off to the coast. The paper was released this morning and headlines have been popping up. Mashable did a pretty good job with it here: Melting Greenland ice sheet will soon unearth waste from long-forgotten Cold War-era military base
Here's a video with clips taken from a longer video, that show some of the construction and activation of the Camp Century site (I recommend watching through the activation of the nuclear power plant). The actual journal paper is here. We paid to have it publicly-accessible rather than behind a paywall: The abandoned ice sheet base at Camp Century, Greenland, in a warming climate
Just thought folks might find it interesting! Ask questions if you've got 'em. - Mike
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Post by Deleted on Aug 4, 2016 9:21:14 GMT -8
Can't say as I can like this one. Thanks for the info though.
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Post by Westy on Aug 4, 2016 9:33:02 GMT -8
Fascinating! Enjoyed the 1957 video, saved your journal. Thanks for the post!
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Post by johntpenca on Aug 4, 2016 12:26:29 GMT -8
A bit out of my wheel house due to the technicality. I skimmed it and found it interesting. Thanks for the posting.
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Post by BlueBear on Aug 4, 2016 12:44:37 GMT -8
A bit out of my wheel house due to the technicality. Yeah, as is typical, the journal article itself is a bit dense, intended for a scientific audience. The various press releases are covering it fairly well though.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 4, 2016 13:15:07 GMT -8
Thanks for the links — and for making the journal article accessible.
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Post by johntpenca on Aug 4, 2016 17:17:10 GMT -8
Bump for the evening crowd. Bluebear has some good stuff in his article/journal.
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Post by BlueBear on Aug 4, 2016 17:42:37 GMT -8
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Post by BigLoad on Aug 4, 2016 19:19:36 GMT -8
Yikes! It's sadly not at all surprising.
I don't recall mentioning this before, but many years ago, I spent a fair bit of time on a subarctic island that had numerous chemical weapons depots. They were starting to leak even then. There was obvious surface water contamination, marked by appropriately dire warning signs. I hope there was some degree of remediation afterward. Due to later changes in the island's status, I think they would have been forced to do something, or at least commit to doing something in the future.
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Post by johntpenca on Aug 4, 2016 23:47:43 GMT -8
Just curious BlueBear, what is the expected dilution factor?
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Post by BlueBear on Aug 5, 2016 5:40:19 GMT -8
Just curious BlueBear, what is the expected dilution factor? In the runoff to the coast? We didn't try to calculate that, but it would be large. It would be one spot on the ice sheet seeping contaminants while large amounts of ice all around it are also melting. I could do some rough back-of-napkin calculations (based on ablation and lapse rates, and the size of the runoff zone in that particular drainage) if you really want to know.
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Post by autumnmist on Aug 5, 2016 9:04:39 GMT -8
It would be one spot on the ice sheet seeping contaminants while large amounts of ice all around it are also melting.
So what was left by America will be distributed by currents to other countries, becoming like some other contaminated sites, a "gift" that keeps on giving?
I should add this to the "what I don't understand" thread - how American "leadership" can take such arbitrary positions on our so-called leadership capabilities when there are these kinds of dark, malevolent behaviors from the past that demonstrate anything but leadership.
On a frivolous note, I see commercial interests jumping on the bandwagon...perhaps another "The Thing" movie, more sci-fi movies like the Onion article with explorers discovering mutants or aliens living secretly in the Arctic, maybe some megaladons, or even a superior race that threatens to annihilate us because they've been trapped with toxic waste for decades. Leave it to the movie industry to find some way to capitalize on this.
But on a serious note, it's sad, frightening, and makes me hope I'm not still around as this discovery plays out, and perhaps more similar sites are discovered in the next decades, if not sooner.
Thanks for sharing this article; it is disturbing, but necessary to read.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 5, 2016 9:11:30 GMT -8
Realized that my first post may have come off a bit ass-ish. I can't like this topic, because (yet again) it showcases our (USA or the human species)ability to F the environment at the drop of a hat, especially in a past era, when we thought we/our science was advanced enough to head off the problem. Thank you for the information, your work, and your teams efforts in shining a light on yet another example of such. I truly do appreciate it and the fact that you let us see the article. I would say your abstract is well written and miles ahead of many I have read as far as its straightforward understandability, including your last statement (perceived impact).
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Post by autumnmist on Aug 5, 2016 9:29:56 GMT -8
I'm absorbing this in parts. Just watched the video and got a sinking feeling as I saw those rods being handled. I think I understand WalkingWest's position - although I shouldn't be surprised at what might have been done by earlier government and military operations, it still upsets me to see something like this....not only b/c of the compromised safety of the planet, but because of the potential harm to future generations.
WalkingWest described his feelings very well; I share that position.
BTW, I hope you don't open the door one day to find scowling men in uniform or black suits at your door! Seriously - it wouldn't surprise me if some element of our government tried to suppress knowledge of the potential dangers. This is one great factor about the Internet; information like this can spread so quickly that it can't be suppressed.
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Post by BlueBear on Aug 5, 2016 10:02:48 GMT -8
Realized that my first post may have come off a bit ass-ish. I can't like this topic, because (yet again) it showcases our (USA or the human species)ability to F the environment at the drop of a hat, especially in a past era, when we thought we/our science was advanced enough to head off the problem. I understood what you meant, no offense taken at all. I get it. As much as it's an interesting story, it's also a depressing one.
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