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Post by autumnmist on Aug 6, 2016 8:58:15 GMT -8
I just hope you got the point I was trying to make---don't want to really interact with dayhikers when I'm on a long backpacking trip. I think this is reasonable; but it doesn't only apply to backpacking. It can apply to any interaction with people, whether in a grocery store or at a medical office, where's there's often a variety of people with a range of interests, some of which include relating all their medical issues to anyone within earshot. But I don't think a simple nod or acknowledgment is really interacting; it's just politeness. You could always carry a card in your shirt pocket that says something "can't talk - dental work just done" or something more perplexing such as "can't talk - lips stuck together" and leave them wondering and scratching their heads.
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Post by BigLoad on Aug 6, 2016 9:18:05 GMT -8
I'm actually fairly sociable on the trail, at least as it applies to greetings and pleasantries. I adapt my responsiveness on an individual basis. Some people don't want to be bothered, others are starting to go mental from lack of interaction. Sometimes there's important information to impart on trail conditions or water availability. Some people clearly need a polite and friendly safety check.
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Post by BigLoad on Aug 6, 2016 9:49:24 GMT -8
Heck, in China (but not Hong Kong or Taiwan), a huge, long stare straight into you with no other form of acknowledgment happens all the time - and even that isn't considered rude - just neutral. I'm totally OK with that. I don't find it hard to recognize that behavior as someone's norm, and I have no difficulty reacting as they would expect.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 6, 2016 10:12:08 GMT -8
Ah, talk of other people's cultures OR the sub-cultures of melting-pot America.
Perhaps, for some people, there is a backpacker caste system. In that caste system, the "dayhikers" are the untouchables. So woe be to any "Buddha" who walks among the untouchables!
I don't like to see anyone when I'm backpacking. But that implies nothing about them. That is me, not them.
I don't need a made-up excuse for treating any of them as untouchable. They have as much right to be there as I do. If they are there and I meet them, I give them a friendly greeting. That seems much more ethical and honest than inventing some fictional stereotype in my mind and then trying to force them into it. I do not need some artificial caste hierarchy of dayhikers, thru-hikers, backpackers, supreme long-distance, many-bag-night, whatever backpackers or anything else.
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Post by autumnmist on Aug 6, 2016 13:34:16 GMT -8
@ben2world , you made some interesting observations. But I think they also apply to neighborhoods and the blend of cultures within. My neighborhood used to be friendly, people helped each other. Then came the real estate collapse, recession, drop in housing prices, and departure of the people who had lived here for quite some time. Newcomers have a different approach. Some keep doors shut all the time, don't even answer doors when a neighbor knocks, have bars installed on doors and sometimes windows, and scowl when I've smiled at them just to be polite.
A few years ago I accidentally locked myself out of my house and car, knocked on 6 neighbor's' doors, cars in garage, sounds in their houses suggesting someone was home, but only 2 would answer their doors.
There's a different type of people entirely now.
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Post by mk on Aug 6, 2016 18:31:30 GMT -8
Some people clearly need a polite and friendly safety check. Did this on our recent trip to Colorado. I ended up giving a guy some Nuun tablets because he was having trouble. Pretty sure he was dehydrated and pushing too hard without adequate rest/hydrate/refuel breaks. There's a different type of people entirely now. This just makes me sad. We've gotten to know a number of neighbors because of our dog. While on our walks, he insists on greeting everyone who is outside, even laying down on the yard if he sees someone in their garage. But there are some who make sure not to make eye contact and scurry back into their houses.
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Post by cajun on Aug 6, 2016 18:58:32 GMT -8
I've never met a stranger. Ever. Anywhere. (My mother tells me she was worried about me getting kidnapped as a child because of it!) In the Deep South, where I live, it would be considered extremely rude not to say hello or acknowledge someone you pass on a trail or even on a street.
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Post by snappypepper on Aug 7, 2016 11:49:04 GMT -8
I spend plenty of time day hiking because I can't always be backpacking. I always find it interesting when backpackers snub me on the trail. I too am a backpacker, just maybe not that day. I can't imagine treating anyone differently because of the length of their hike or the size of their pack.
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Post by davesenesac on Aug 7, 2016 15:51:10 GMT -8
Don't feel confused Amy as you are not alone. The way we humans communicate with others is of the highest order of complexity much of which is below a conscious level. The way strangers react in passing along backcountry trails mirrors behaviors in our everyday lives. The ability to make conversation with strangers has two sides and place. A wise person will know when to go beyond a simple smile or hi, or after initiating conversation when it ought end. Much has to do with subtle non-verbal communication cues as well as what the other person has to say. For some it is wise to be reserved saying little beyond a friendly interchange. Others may immediately recognize the other person as friendly and talkative allowing relaxed conversation to flow where it may.
Although some people may have the gift to talk, not all who do are perceptive how other persons are receiving what they say nor listen effectively when others speak. Ben2W also made a good point in cultural differences. Today in American society given the recent decades mixing of emigrants and immigrants we are in the midst of a diverse multicultural melting pot experiment of such cultural difference. What to say, when, and how to say whatever is not always obvious. Thus your tact of limiting communication has value. Though for others with strong communication skills there are more friendly and acceptable options.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 7, 2016 16:00:46 GMT -8
I like to talk. I talk to my Dad, sometimes I think he's mad at me, but he always says it's my imagination. I feel bad these times almost always! I get along well with my sister, but I was furious the other day! I don't speak with hardly anybody else!
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Post by markskor on Aug 7, 2016 19:08:05 GMT -8
Respectfully, after reading through this post, the answer seems pretty obvious. Trouble talking with strangers? Just ask them how they are doing. From all the "I" responses read above, it seems that everybody likes to talk about themselves...at length. I did this; I did that; I think; I feel; I'm never; I accidentally...I,I,I. Maybe make it about them to start out?
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Post by Ed on Aug 9, 2016 8:57:33 GMT -8
Interesting that Amy has not been back after the first post...
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Post by swmtnbackpacker on Aug 9, 2016 9:42:17 GMT -8
On the trail I'll always at least wave, and usually share about conditions (trail, weather). Never know when someone is in a hurry though
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Post by amydiercon on Aug 11, 2016 0:46:19 GMT -8
I have read all of your responds carefully and thank you very much for your sharing and suggestions. I know I'm introverted and shy. I always keep silent and listening to others' talking. I should be myself and be kind and polite to others.
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Post by Ed on Aug 11, 2016 5:05:04 GMT -8
Sorry, I didn't mean my comment to be bad in any way - Perhaps I need to work on my communication skills.... or need more coffee...
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