daveb
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Post by daveb on Jul 15, 2016 5:58:11 GMT -8
I understand the definition of what "fill weight" means;
"Fill power is a measure of the loft or "fluffiness" of a down product that is loosely related to the insulating value of the down. The higher the fill power the more air an ounce of the down can trap, and thus the more insulating ability an ounce of the down will have."
but this is the first time I've really looked at the cost of weight and I want to make sure I'm understanding this correctly.
I've got an Elightened Equipment quilt I'm building up on the companies website and I just noticed that if I keep the same "Temperature" value of 0°F but change the "Down Fill" from 800 to 950 there are two changes.
800 down fill 29.48oz = $320.00
950 down fill 25.89oz $550.00
Both are 0°F rated.
Difference seems to be 3.59oz at a cost of $230
Really? Does 3.59 ounces really cost $230?
Also, when ordering from Enlighten Equipment, how long did it take to get your quilt?
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Post by zeke on Jul 15, 2016 6:31:52 GMT -8
950 GD is in high demand, so it costs about $10 an ounce, wholesale. So, they have $200 just in down in the bag. (I am assuming a 20 ounce fill) You could get a 0° quilt from Underground Quilt for $480. Choice of fabrics and colors. High end gear just costs $$$. Good thing we are in position to be able to afford it, right?
Delivery time with any company depends on traffic, of course. You are building a Winter quilt during a slack time for any Thru hiker to be buying gear, so it should be a good time for them to get your quilt out to you in a timely manner. Say, 3 weeks.
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Post by daveb on Jul 15, 2016 6:51:48 GMT -8
Zeke, if I go with 800 fill, won't they just put more 800 fill in the bag to get to the 0°F rating?
What is the 20 ounce fill represent. (in dumbass terms)
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Post by zeke on Jul 15, 2016 7:07:23 GMT -8
if I go with 800 fill, won't they just put more 800 fill in the bag to get to the 0°F rating?
950 will not only give you greater loft, trapping more air, but it is more resilient to compression, making it spring back to loft faster, longer, than 800. |
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Post by trinity on Jul 15, 2016 7:33:44 GMT -8
Here's some interesting discussion on this topic: link. I didn't even know 950 fill down was available. Amazing how far down has come in just a few years. |
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Post by Coolkat on Jul 15, 2016 7:36:10 GMT -8
Good question and answer. I've always wondered at the different numbers when it comes to down. I've always just purchased what fit my budget and requirements. My quilt is a GoLite good for 20F. When I bought it all I knew is that it was sub 2lbs when my current bag was a hair over 3lbs and I got it for a very good price. It's one of my favorite pieces of gear now, especially since I'm a stomach sleeper.
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Post by Westy on Jul 15, 2016 10:30:40 GMT -8
I have both an 850 and a 950 fill sleeping bag. The empirical difference from my perspective is:
The 850 is less dense, the 950 is more dense, especially noticeable when stuffing the sack.
All down bags release little feather pieces now and again. The 950 seems to expunge in smaller bits.
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Post by High Sierra Fan on Jul 15, 2016 10:47:49 GMT -8
There's a rarity price penalty. Most down is not 950, so a less available commodity goes for a higher price. Add in any requirement for a humane sourcing and the cost goes even higher.
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Post by johntpenca on Jul 15, 2016 19:43:44 GMT -8
Slightly off topic, but how have you found the 950 FP to hold up versus 800?
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Post by daveb on Jul 18, 2016 7:16:11 GMT -8
I ordered the Enlightened Equipment Revelation
800 Down Fill
DownTek Treatment
0°F
6'6" (even though she is 5'2" I may use it sometimes) lol
58" (figure since it was light and a blanket, why not a little extra)
Inside Fabric 10D Orange
Outside Fabric 20D Aegean Blue
Talked to the guy and he said they should be able to have it to us before our trip September 15th.
I'll let you know how it performs as soon as we can. Thanks for the help again folks.
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Post by kumachan on Aug 10, 2016 20:05:59 GMT -8
Years ago, a TNF rep explained to me the steep price increases between the 0 degree bag, -10 degree and a -20 degree down bags. Back then, the best fill was the new 800 fill. In order to get down feathers that had enough loft for the 800 fill, the feathers had to come from older ducks. As TNF down feathers were coming from China back then, and the Chinese like to eat duckling, TNF had to pay extra to keep ducks around long enough for the ducks & feathers to mature. The cost was then passed on to the consumer. Sounded reasonable 20 years ago.
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Post by franco on Aug 10, 2016 20:15:16 GMT -8
Yes except that the better bags are made with goose down not duck.
That is if you don't invest in eiderdown...
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