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Post by daveb on Jul 3, 2016 5:53:35 GMT -8
We were shopping REI yesterday and I couldn't decide on what to do about a portable sink or bucket. Considering the $30 cost of just about everything I figured I'd ask what you folks preferred. The collapsible kitchen sinks came in 20, 10 and 5 liter sizes and then we found the 10 liter collapsible bucket. So, bucket or sink?
After that I got hung up staring at all the fire starting methods. What's wrong with just a couple of bic lighters? Do I need a waterproof match kit or flint stones?
Sock liners. Silk or polypropylene?
Does "body glide" work?
As far as rain protection, we'll both have good shells with hoods but our pants are only water repellent. Should we get some rain pants? If so, any suggestions?
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Post by zeke on Jul 3, 2016 6:17:54 GMT -8
? Questions galore? What will you be using the sink/bucket for? Some use a collapsible bucket to haul water from the source to a safe distance to filter away from the biting flying insects. I know no one who uses a sink as in to wash dishes, but a few might take a small pan of water into their tent to sponge wash themselves. If this is the sort of thing you will do with yours, you could just cut a large opening out of a gallon milk jug, on the upper portion away from the handle, allowing you to carry it easier and it clips onto your pack that way.
A couple of mini Bics work fine to light the stove. Back ups should be carried, but that is why I carry 2 mini Bics.
I wore silk liners when I wanted a base layer, but since switching to Smartwool socks, I haven't needed liners to help prevent blisters.
I bought a Pair of Marmot Precip pants a long time ago, and they are still good. Mostly because I seldom wear them. Just haven't been caught in the rain that much. As for need, I hate wearing a rain jacket and having run off drip on my pants all day, soaking my legs and butt.
P.S. -- No one I know washes dishes in the field. I know no one who actually cooks there. FBC requires only a fork or spoon gets used, and mostly I lick mine clean and stuff it back wherever I keep it.
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Post by gabby on Jul 3, 2016 8:40:33 GMT -8
Zeke's answers are good on all the questions he addressed, AFAIAC. I would note that I do wear liners with my merino wool socks, but I (possibly) have more foot-related problems. I enjoy the extra latitude for movement that doesn't involve my foot rubbing on sock, though I suppose this might actually cause other problems for some. Everyone's different: best to try it for yourself. I prefer synthetic "wicking" liners to silk, but again - try before you decide. Rain gear is a necessity because Mother Nature is a changeable & unpredictable sort. However, I've never used mine. I sometimes gravitate to lighter stuff depending on how long, when and where I'm going. You don't want to get soaked in the cold. I absolutely hate wet socks, but, with warm enough weather, I can bear just about anything else. I'm left with: This may very well be a "depends on who you are" type of thing too, but Body Glide works well for me everyday. I use it a lot, but mostly between my toes when taking evening hikes or running. Keeps my toes from developing blisters when they rub together on those hot and humid days. (I try to run 2 or 3 miles a day, and I walk 4 or 5 miles every evening.) I haven't used it for much else, but I imagine it works just as well on other body parts.
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Post by rebeccad on Jul 3, 2016 9:42:20 GMT -8
Body glide works well on the parts that chafe when I'm biking. If it can do that, I'd say it can help with just about anything Basically agree with what Zeke and Gabby said. We carry a bucket for hauling water to camp (to reduce riparian impacts from lots of trips) and washing clothes (not dishes. Like Zeke says, we "cook" in a freezer bag, and just rinse a few things now and then. No soap and all that). I bought one of the new silnylon super-light buckets, but it leaks (which isn't a huge problem, but I think we'll stick with the old one). I carry a lighter or two and a box of matches. Belt and suspenders; I can't make a lighter work when my hands are cold or wet. No liner socks needed with my Smartwool socks, but YMMV; you will probably have to dial this in with trial and error. One thing I will say: be sure your socks fit. Don't just buy by shoe size; if you have very low-volume or high-volume feet you may need to size up or down (I size down, which is a LONG way down given where my shoe size falls in the range for sock size. Something in between would be better, but small is better than loose and sloppy). Rain protection: I carry a light-weight rain jacket and rain pants, which don't get used a lot (if I were still hiking in the PNW, I would probably invest in something heavier). Keeping your legs and butt dry, as Zeke noted, can be important. Hypothermia happens fast when you are wet and it's 45 deg. and windy. I'm contemplating adding a light poncho instead of just relying on a pack cover, in order to keep my pack straps, etc., dry.
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Post by paula53 on Jul 3, 2016 10:27:06 GMT -8
I wash my cooking kit in the field. I use a bucket because it folds up smaller than the sink, and is lighter. Body glide works great for chafing issues. I also use castile soap for washing dishes and clothes. I bring a rain pant, the precip,but have never had the need to use it. Lighters are used instead of matches.
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Post by tigger on Jul 3, 2016 11:15:59 GMT -8
I just started to realize that people seriously bring sinks/buckets backpacking. I never have and had honestly never really thought of it. I use water, a bit of moss, and sand to clean my pot/spork/mug when needed. The environments I hike in have it plentiful. In winter, I just use snow. I really don't have a need for that stuff. My goal is to always bring less if possible. If it isn't a "need" or a backup, it pretty much doesn't go.
I just bring a couple Bic lighters. I haven't found any possible time that those wouldn't do the trick for any emergency or just lighting my stove.
I don't use sock liners except for in the arctic when we are wearing the same clothing layers...for weeks.
I don't use body glide. Maybe I should check it out for my feet. I do occasionally get a blister that sneaks in when I don't notice it.
Rain shells - That is definitely environment dependent. I have to bring one in all but the dead of summer. When I do, I go full-on waterproof, not water repellent. In the mountains, it rarely sprinkles. When it does come down, it either rains hard, snows, or both with some strong winds thrown in for good measure.
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Post by almostthere on Jul 3, 2016 16:33:36 GMT -8
I have a Sea to Summit bucket that folds away to almost nothing. I use it to put out other people's abandoned campfires, to carry large amounts of water to the campsite to put out our own campfire on the once-in-a-while occasion that we have one, and on long trips I stick my whole head in the bucket to wash my hair. I have never once used it to wash dishes. We rehydrate in a cup and rinse with plain ol' water with a finger scrub if needed. I only carry a little soap to wash hair on long trips, and never bother with any soap on shorter ones. Minimizing impact means avoiding soap!!! and when you do use it, only a few drops -- far, far from water sources and dispersed as much as possible.
A couple bics is all I have...
I stopped using liners a long time ago. Good wool socks, that's it for me.
Body glide for skin-on-skin chafing works great. Zinc Oxide (that's what's used for diaper rash, btw) does too, but not as well.
I only wear rain pants, or a rain jacket for that matter, when it is really cold -- if we're hiking. I have something to change into for sleeping dry. If it's 55F+ it's a guarantee I'll be sweating more than it's raining, trying to wear rain gear.... I use a poncho these days for that reason. Rain pants/jacket have become less a thing for me... but I hike 99% of the time in the Sierra, only rarely elsewhere.
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Post by BigLoad on Jul 3, 2016 17:22:50 GMT -8
I'm all in with zeke.
I do have an ultralight collapsible bucket to get water from an inconvenient source to a better processing location, but I bring it less and less often. No sink. I don't do any real washing, just a quick rinse with boiling water as needed.
No liner socks since I finally got my shoe fit figured out.
Two mini-Bics do it all for me. I carry a few firestarters in case of emergency.
I used a fair amount of body glide in my road racing career, but never needed in on the trail. (It's really good for keeping your nipples from getting erased on long runs).
For rain, I most often wear Marmot Precips top and bottom. Generally, if it rains enough to wear bottoms, you'll want really good water resistance, especially in cooler weather.
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Post by zeke on Jul 3, 2016 17:57:19 GMT -8
+1 on the erasure.
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Post by High Sierra Fan on Jul 4, 2016 10:33:02 GMT -8
A lightweight. Sea 2 Summit bucket, though essentially for water transport to my campsite. I'm avoiding the riparian mosquitos and the chill night dampness that way.
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Post by rebeccad on Jul 4, 2016 10:50:12 GMT -8
I just started to realize that people seriously bring sinks/buckets backpacking. I never have and had honestly never really thought of it. The main reason for it is when traveling with 4 (and especially when the kids were little), we use a lot of water. If you run to the stream every time you need some, not only is it a lot of work, but it's hard on the shore. It's probably less necessary now, but still nice to have, especially when we camp farther from water, which of course we try to do. That's why I keep finding lighter versions, though--need to keep it light to keep it worth taking.
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Post by daveb on Jul 5, 2016 6:16:50 GMT -8
Thank you all for taking the time to set me straight. I really appreciate it!
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Post by almostthere on Jul 5, 2016 8:13:08 GMT -8
I know that REI and other stores will sell you everything down to entire kits for spices and spatulas and marshmallow toasters and cappucino makers and and and and and
and, you don't have to buy any of it to eat well.
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Post by wacissakid on Jul 5, 2016 12:04:17 GMT -8
As for a water storage, I use a bucket. I use one from Antigravity Gear. Weighs under 1 ounce and holds a gallon. www.antigravitygear.com/shop/hydration/antigravitygear-1-gallon-water-bag/I use Coolmax liners if I'm wearing Ragg Wool to prevent blisters; in more moderate weather I use SmartWool socks with no liner. Rainwear - I use LL Bean's Trail Model WP/Breathable jacket & pants. www.llbean.com/llb/shop/68624?feat=rain%20wear-SR0&page=trail-model-rain-jacket Moderate weight (don't know right off the top of my head) and decently breathable. I DO NOT wear it while backpacking because I live in the deep south and even breathable fabrics don't cut it down here. I hike wearing a short or long sleeve Capilene (or similar) shirt and shorts/pants, depending on season. I do wear a supplex NON-waterproof hat to keep water out of my face without making my head sweat so much. I generally stay plenty warm while backpacking, even in winter by wearing wickable clothes. Upon stopping and setting up my tent I will change into dry clothes and put on rain gear to cook, etc. Basically, I would rather be wet from clean rain than nasty sweat.
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Post by jazzmom on Jul 5, 2016 12:49:18 GMT -8
I'm pretty much with Zeke, too.
I do own one of those UL folding buckets, Seattle Sports, I think. I got it for retrieving water from sources with precarious access (e.g. high/steep banks, high flow, etc.) and/or allowing the water to settle if turbid. After finding drowned mice in the water a couple of times, I now use a wide-mouthed closeable container for settling. I did use it this past spring to get water from Lake Michigan when the surf was roaring, so that I could quickly scoop and get out between waves.
I've never needed a sink when backpacking. I will do some level of "cooking", mostly when hiking solo, but it's usually all in one pot that's also my bowl. I scrape it out, then wipe off with a little heated water. I rarely take soap.
A second mini-bic for back-up.
I'm not prone to blisters. I wear merino socks, no liners. I don't use Body Glide (and have heard that vaseline works just as well.)
I have DIY 2.5-layer rain gear that I typically take though I rarely take the pants. The top is a simple hooded anorak and very light. If the forecast is calling for a lot of rain, I actually find it easiest to take a cheap poncho in addition to the anorak. I just got a length of cuben to make a rain skirt -- I'm picturing a wrap-around design that can double for other uses.
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