rebeccad
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Post by rebeccad on Jun 20, 2016 19:20:19 GMT -8
We humans have a natural sweet tooth. For most of our history, it served us well. Not so much, now.
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whistlepunk
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Post by whistlepunk on Jun 20, 2016 19:28:15 GMT -8
We humans have a natural sweet tooth. For most of our history, it served us well. Not so much, now. Agree. The fructose content of fruit is not a problem. The pectin slows absorption.
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Post by bp2go on Jun 21, 2016 9:21:26 GMT -8
I finally decided to add my vote for the plant-based diet with moderate inclusion of chicken and fish! A few years ago I happened to watch a video called Forks over Knives, showing the results of a 30-year study of food. Specifically, showing how healthy China was seeing big increases in once-rare diseases corresponding to their adopting a Western diet! (Spoiler alert: red meat was involved, and not in a good way!) While that very compelling video was not enough to make me turn vegetarian the next day, it lit the fuse. I continued learning about the benefits of eating more beets and fewer burgers from the drive-thru. Actually, I was already pretty much a veggie fan, so I was an easy convert, slowly moving away from the bad stuff, watching more eye-opening videos that revealed what was going on with food! It wasn't encouraging Today I am living on real food, with chicken and salmon or sardines as my added items to go along with vegetables and fruit. I actually prefer fake meatloaf made with red lentils! It's really good. To my eyes, Paleo, Mediterranean, South Beach, and whatever or versions, are essentially all aiming at the same solution, and that way of eating should make supplements and protein powders just an interesting way ti get rid of extra money! Need more protein? Maybe not! Read what WebMD says about the ease of getting your daily dose, affordably. So HYOH, or mabe EYOD (Eat your own diet!) but if you must eat red meat, go with grass-fed and skip the stuff with corn finishing! watch King Corn (YouTube) to see the problems with corn-fed cattle!) Okay, wandering here, but I am personally glad that I am now doing fine with my mostly veggie food plan.
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Post by rwtb123 on Jun 21, 2016 20:15:06 GMT -8
It looks like everyone is looking at this from their own perspective which is as it should be,but this appears to be blinding some from seeing other's perspective.What some seem to be missing is people are different not commodities.I like to look at body types or somnotypes, and group people as either ecto,meso or endo noting each group will do better with different diets,exercise routines and even careers.
Endo's are large framed with a large muscle base but slow metabolism resulting in higher fat levels.These are the socially extoverted natural sales persons and tend to do better with a lower carb diet with more protein and fat to support the musculature.Too many carbs and they will not be burned off and get stored as fat.
Ecto's are the small framed,fast metabolism, brainy, socially introverted types that tend to end up in research or crunching numbers and due to limited musculature do better with a carb based diet ,which they burn right through not store as fat,and less protein which they don't have as much use for.
Meso's are the medium framed,average metobolism natural leaders that have good musculature,don't tend to accumulate body fat and tend to do best on a diet balanced between protein,carbs and fats.
So what I am guessing here,is we are seeing the ectos advocating a carb based diet,the endos advocating a paleo type diet and the mesos with better things to do than respond at all.But,now how are you actually doing at sticking to your preferred diet?
I tend to eat like an endo when I am prioritizing weight training and like an ecto when prioritizing cycling/hiking for an overall diet most similar to a meso.So, I tend to be able to see everyone's perspective.
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whistlepunk
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Post by whistlepunk on Jun 21, 2016 20:46:15 GMT -8
Why are you assigning personality traits based on body type? There is no correlation. I certainly would not classify Mick Jagger, the epitome of an ectomorph, as an introvert.
Different diets for different purposes. When I am trying to shed a few pounds I eat differently than when working out hard to maintain muscle mass or when on a multi day endurance type activity.
Genetics also play a part. Nutrient genomics is an emerging field of science, where your DNA analysis is used to optimize your diet. The presence or absence of certain genetic markers dictate which diet is best for you for certain goals.
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Post by almostthere on Jun 27, 2016 15:02:33 GMT -8
Wow. Do I ever feel like I just walked into a commercial for the benefits of random things I've never heard of.... How strange.
Healthy as I have been for my whole life, eating pretty much whatever in moderation, I have to say I'm a bit put off by posts that want to "discuss" nutrition then replies that turn into commercials, aka reassurances that the "science" backs up the claims.
I did lose ten pounds cutting HFCS out of my daily diet - I drink a soda now and then, but no longer use drive thrus and tend to eat a lot more veggies than I do meat. Pretty much everything else has stayed the same. Correcting a thyroid issue has helped a ton.
Dissing the entirety of "western medicine" is on a par with claiming coconut oil will do everything from reverse gum disease to treat foot fungus - totally reduces the credibility of anything else said to 0, in my eyes. Because there are THOUSANDS of doctors, dietitians, etc. in the country, and they definitely are not all in some grand conspiracy to hoodwink us, nor are they all on the same page so far as medications, diet, or pretty much anything at all.... They are all people - kinda like me. All with opinions as variable as hikers are. If you're going to claim to have answers the rest of us don't, global generalizations don't help. I happen to have a doctor who has offered all kinds of advice over the years, some of it medication, the rest of it entirely appropriate to what was going on at the time -- aka exercise, diet, rest, etc. She's excelled at treating me like a person and not a generalization. As a member of the medical community myself, I can also assure you that I do not commit the sins you claim "western medicine" does either. So hmmm, there you go, two exceptions to your rule.
I don't like your spam. Have fun chewing your dubious starchy root.
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whistlepunk
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Post by whistlepunk on Jun 29, 2016 11:01:28 GMT -8
Agree. The 'Western Medicine Conspiracy' is as absurd as it is insulting.
Eating on the road could be its own thread. However, there are fast food options that are better than other, or at least less unhealthy...
The Subway Veggie Delite has become a favorite with me, and I am (or was) a hard core carnivore. The burger chains now offer a side salad as an option instead of fries, and ice tea instead of sodas.
Many supermarkets now offer premade salads for one. Combined with some fruit and a small carton of milk you have a nice lunch.
When I was a young buck I could eat whatever I wanted with no ill effect. Not anymore. The years of dietary abuse have caught up with me. I have to watch what I eat.
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Post by mocamper on Dec 9, 2016 12:49:39 GMT -8
I follow the Word of Wisdom "diet" as outlined in the Mormon scripture the Doctrine and Covenants Section 89. I'm sure you're familiar with the prohibition of alcohol, tobacco, tea, and coffee. But the scripture prescribes use of herbs, grains (especially mentioning wheat for man's consumption), fruits and vegetables in season, and meat used very sparingly. Moderation is also stressed throughout the scripture. I didn't always follow it as strictly as I do now. Several years ago I was diagnosed with gall bladder dysfunction. I had to really change my diet. I was eating way too much meat--about daily. I was curious about vegan and vegetarian diets. The books Eat Vegan Before 6:00 by Mark Bittman and Eat and Run by vegan ultra-runner Scott Jurek really informed my transition to a plant-based diet. I ate no meat for about 4 months. Another book that really helped me was The Green Smoothies Diet by Robyn Openshaw. Since then my gall bladder symptoms disappeared. Recently, I have continued to modify my diet. I have reduced dairy consumption, and I am trying to reduce my sugar intake. I strive to eat meat (about 3-4 times a month during the winter) that I either hunted or raised myself. Last year it was a deer that was hunted on my land and a pig we raised ourselves. In the summer time, we eat meat only about once or twice a month, and we grow as much of our own food as possible. The majority of the food I eat is homemade vegetarian. When I am seriously training for athletic endeavors I follow a Macros Diet or flexible dieting. I track my intake of protein, carbs, fat, and fiber. I believe in moderation in my diet, and I don't get too uptight if I can't occasionally eat according to plan. I don't buy a lot of the paleo diet hype. Any diet that restricts entire macro nutrients like carbs is not sustainable and not well-founded. The paleo diet is good inasmuch as it encourages eating of whole, natural food, but I find it's flawed in other ways. But whatever works for you. I've maintained a healthy weight and lead an active lifestyle. I'm in the military so I have to stay fit.
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whistlepunk
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Post by whistlepunk on Dec 10, 2016 9:46:01 GMT -8
The Mormon diet is pretty similar to the Mediterranean diet.
Also has many similarities to the diets in the Blue Zones -- the book by Dan Buettner about regions in the world where people live unusually long lives. Of course, diet is only one of the four factors Buettner identified as contributing to long life. The other three being physically active, social contacts, and sense of purpose in life.
Interestingly, only one of the centenarian societies identified by Buettner was vegetarian (Seventh Day Adventists) and even then most are not strict vegetarian. Other researchers have picked up the same idea and began looking for other long lived societies and found other 'pale blue' zones -- a few of which have high levels of meat consumption.
I read a research paper out of the UK that explored the differences between a diet with meat from domestic livestock versus fishing/hunting wild sources of meat, and found the hunting/fishing societies had even lower rates of cancer and cardiovascular disease than urbanized vegans. Verifying what Dan Buettner found -- diet is only one factor in longevity, with other factors playing possibly even larger roles than diet.
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