walkswithblackflies
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Post by walkswithblackflies on May 26, 2016 5:02:10 GMT -8
Lately, my diet has consisted of saturated fat, cholesterol, and sodium; with smaller amounts of coffee. <sigh>
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Post by whistlepunk on May 26, 2016 10:07:28 GMT -8
Lately, my diet has consisted of saturated fat, cholesterol, and sodium; with smaller amounts of coffee. <sigh> You need a more balanced diet. Add some alcohol.
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Post by whistlepunk on May 26, 2016 10:18:26 GMT -8
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Post by rwtb123 on May 28, 2016 19:25:27 GMT -8
My view of western medicine is that it excels at treating acute injury/illness, with it's focus on harsh invasive and drug based treatments.However, as far as the chronic diseases currently plaguing western industrialized nations with root causes of sedentary lifestyles, chronic stress and poor dietary choices,I feel it falls far short, essentially, treating symptoms once they reach the acute phase, rather than addressing the underlying causes.In defense of your doctor,even though they aren't well trained in or particularly inclined to emphasize nutrition,they can still tell you to cut carbs until they are blue in the face, but if it's something you don't want to hear it will fall on deaf ears.
So,since we have an exercise thread to get you off the couch,I thought that it might be a good idea to start a diet/nutrition thread to discuss your strategies to complement that exercise and limit your visits to the doctor's office for acute care, over the long-term.I am starting to realize this is more a forum of the general population that backpacks than a community of health and fitness enthusiasts,so I definitely feel I am not preaching to the choir.
But,lets try to keep this discussion to your overall dietary and nutritional strategies while respecting those of others, and not getting bogged down in political,social,moral,ethical issues related to food.Or,whether the climate in Eastern Washington is a natural depressant or anti-depressant.
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Post by whistlepunk on May 29, 2016 9:42:09 GMT -8
I disagree. My last three doctors, over the last twenty years, (2 were MDs, one an OD) emphasized diet and activity as the preferred course of treatment, prescribing drugs only when those failed and stopping the drugs when no longer needed.
All three were very well versed in nutrition, and were partnered with an RD.
I do not seem to be an exception, as relatives who live elsewhere report the same. Nutrition and activity are primary focuses in medicine now.
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Post by rwtb123 on Jun 5, 2016 3:09:31 GMT -8
I have added oatmeal back into my diet,while cutting back on coffee and energy drinks(used during work outs). It seems to be paying off as I have now trained six days in a row and seven of the last eight.In place of the caffeine, I am using tea with Rhodiola rosea added as a non-caffeinated energy boost.I used a combination of oatmeal and coffee for years during workouts with good results, until I got to the point I couldn't stand that combination anymore(and still can't).So this is a work around to again get oatmeal back into my diet and am adding blueberries,cinnamon and milk.
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Post by grace on Jun 9, 2016 8:53:42 GMT -8
I've been working 7x days a week and was drinking way too much caffeine. I'm hypothyroid, and my levels are off, so the first thing I did was give up the caffeine and processed sugar, and anything else that could stress my system. I'm so boring and stabby right now... they're adjusting my meds, but I feel like that's always only half of the solution.
But I am a believer in healing with diet and lifestyle first (ironic, bc my job is in pharmacy)so I've cleaned things up quite a bit. It's tough to do all home cooking on a crazy schedule, but I need to find a way to make it work. I'm veg as well, so I go through metric tons of produce.
That being said, I'm going camping next week. What happens camping never happened.
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Post by rwtb123 on Jun 11, 2016 11:28:45 GMT -8
I am continuing to add foods back into my diet that have been part of my diet in the past and that work well for me. I eat multiple small meals,so need easy to prepare foods for much of my diet to minimize time spent cooking/preparing.The result is ,lately,I have been too lazy to cook/prepare many of the meals that work well for me and that diversify my diet.
What I did in the last week was cut the milk used in my shakes in half and replacing with water.This allows some milk which I find satisfying but doesn't cause the bloat I was starting to get from too much lactose.This also cuts back on my simple sugar consumption.I added in omelets ,as well,which I use to consume more vegies.For instance, yesterday I had a green onion,fresh ginger and raw cheese omelette which was delicious.I also ordered unrefined coconut oil and buckwheat,which are foods I enjoy and do well on.And,I plan to purchase some kefir/greek yogurt,as well,which for some reason I haven't used lately.
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Post by whistlepunk on Jun 11, 2016 15:39:08 GMT -8
According to the USDA food survey, Americans on average consume approximately 3.5 pounds of food per day, about 1/2 pound is meat. So about 1/7 of the standard American diet (SAD) is meat. The USDA recommendations are no more 4 ounces of meat per day, with red meat only eaten sparingly. So the SAD has twice the meat of the recommendations. As a rule of thumb, then, cut the meat portion in half and add a second vegetable.
The recommendations also include 1/2 or more of your total grain consumption is whole grain. Then the usual lots of color in your fruits and veggies, low fat or non fat dairy, cut out added sugar, etc. This is well covered in the media now.
There is no reason to avoid dairy, or any food category, unless you have an allergy or intolerance. (The paleo fad is basically junk science with a few tidbits of sound nutrition mixed in.)
Just about every country in the world that has issued dietary recommendations has similar. They just package it differently to fit their own culture and dietary norms. I like the UK version -- more detail, although more complicated to understand. The USDA version (the pyramid/step thing) is dumbed down to make it easier for the masses.
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Post by froggiebecky on Jun 20, 2016 5:13:33 GMT -8
I'm in disagreement with some of the opinions mentioned...and in agreement with a few others. I tend towards locavore--I don't think that my food should have more frequent-flier or road-miles than I do. But, with allowances to the fact that not everyone lives in a place where the farmers markets and local meat is bountiful, I generally use "same continent, same time zone" as my boundaries (exception: alcohol). That leaves a lot of leeway while still ruling out things like NZ beef and grapes from Mexico. It also helps here in Oz--imported produce is stupid expensive. Cool story bro: A couple years before I moved here a cyclone wiped out the banana crop, and prices shot up to $14/kilo (~$7/lb). Basically no one bought bananas for a year except parents of toddlers. I also tend to shy away from protein powders and supplements in general, but that's because I'm not training at that level. When I am, I will mix in the odd scoop with some yogurt at breakfast, but it's not a regular thing for me. Thesis-ing has me mostly sedentary, unfortunately, so I'm trying to focus on diet to keep things in check. I lean towards paleo, a la rebeccad --some meat, lots of fruit/veggies, lower on the carbs. Generally, I think paleo's on to something, but have a hard time with the idea that legumes are categorically bad and the only acceptable oil comes from a coconut. Then again, I didn't need to start watching what I eat because I overdid the peanuts and lentils. And I just don't like ALL my food tasting/smelling like sunblock. And I refuse to feel guilty about putting milk in my tea.
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Post by whistlepunk on Jun 20, 2016 11:26:02 GMT -8
Yeah, the so-called science behind paleo is pretty weak, and flat erroneous in some areas. There are some kernels of good nutrition in it, the part about eating less processed food and eating a variety.
The whole "stuff doctors don't want to you know because they are in the pockets of big pharma" conspiracy theory is just plain silly.
The U.S. is no longer the world's leader in nutritional research. We let the EU take that role and their universities are decades ahead of the U.S. counterparts.
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Post by rebeccad on Jun 20, 2016 13:01:10 GMT -8
I lean towards paleo, a la rebeccad --some meat, lots of fruit/veggies, lower on the carbs. Actually, I was under the impression that paleo was high in meat. I'm more a fan of the Mediterranean diet, with lots of fruits and veg, olive oil (and I'm pretty sure the Wellness Letter thoroughly debunked coconut oil), and whole grains. Meat is a flavoring. Mostly I'm a big fan of eating what's put in front of me and avoiding food hobbies.
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Post by froggiebecky on Jun 20, 2016 14:36:07 GMT -8
The whole "stuff doctors don't want to you know because they are in the pockets of big pharma" conspiracy theory is just plain silly.
It is. That being said, the corn lobby and industrial ag has a little bit more to answer for. There's no sense in HFCS being in half the stuff its in.
The U.S. is no longer the world's leader in nutritional research. We let the EU take that role and their universities are decades ahead of the U.S. counterparts.
I'm not quite sure where you got your information about that one.
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Post by froggiebecky on Jun 20, 2016 14:38:41 GMT -8
rebeccad, My understanding was that even though they were big meat advocates, it was still supposed to be 25% of any given plate (as opposed to Atkins where you just loaded up). But that might be getting towards the 'splitting hairs'side of things. The little bit of nutrition stuff I see does seem to keep circling around to Mediterranean.
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Post by whistlepunk on Jun 20, 2016 16:58:27 GMT -8
... That being said, the corn lobby and industrial ag has a little bit more to answer for. There's no sense in HFCS being in half the stuff its in... I blame consumers and government policy more. People keep telling the food manufacturers to add HFCS, by speaking with their wallets. The government keeps natural sugar prices artificially high with trade policies. It is best to avoid all added sugars, whether natural sucrose or HFCS. On a relative healthfulness scale both sucrose and HFCS occupy roughly the same position. The difference is only 5% of the fructose content. (Sucrose, table sugar, is equal parts glucose and fructose. HFCS is sucrose treated with naturally occurring enzymes to make the ratio 45:55.)
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