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Post by Sleeping Bag Man! on May 16, 2016 13:38:38 GMT -8
Ack The gods demand a trade - one of their small children should now be brought into a herd of bison to live.
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Post by Lonewolf on May 16, 2016 15:16:47 GMT -8
My wife can randomly walk off trail, days away from the car, and find a 5 gallon plastic can. I was backpacking in CO, 3 days in offtrail at 12,000' and found a soda can.
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Post by rebeccad on May 16, 2016 16:14:34 GMT -8
My wife can randomly walk off trail, days away from the car, and find a 5 gallon plastic can. I was backpacking in CO, 3 days in offtrail at 12,000' and found a soda can. Trash kind of boggles me. I mean, I get it. People are idiots who don't even think twice about throwing stuff on the ground. But I swear it physically hurts me if I realize I have inadvertently dropped a piece of candy wrapper. I don't think I could ever deliberately chuck a bag of trash out the window, or drop a soda can in the wilderness.
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Post by hikerjer on May 16, 2016 17:26:42 GMT -8
I don't think I could ever deliberately chuck a bag of trash out the window, or drop a soda can in the wilderness. Same here. I don't know if it's just the way we were raised or if it's in our DNA, but I just couldn't bring myself to litter. Not even a small orange peel. It's like I'll go to Hell or turn into a Republican or something if I do
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Post by johnnyray on May 16, 2016 17:31:11 GMT -8
It amazes me and pisses me off that people can carry a full container in but can't carry the empty out .
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Post by amaruq on May 17, 2016 4:08:23 GMT -8
Sounds like that old road to hell quote. Ah yes, " the road to hell is paved with stupidity." That old chestnut.
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Post by Deleted on May 17, 2016 4:42:40 GMT -8
To think people like this actually breed. Wow! I think of: Darwinism is a theory of biological evolution developed by the English naturalist Charles Darwin and others, stating that all species of organisms arise and develop through the natural selection of small, inherited variations that increase the individual's ability to compete, survive, and reproduce.when I read the above reply. But then I move on to think that somewhere something is going wrong with our ability to survive as we compete. We race through life collecting as many toys as we can, heedless to the cost and toll we take against our enviroment. The un-named persons who felt they were doing good by 'saving' the calf from the cold is a great example that somewhere, somehow we got our signals crossed. I ask myself is the components of our ability to survive aliasing?
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Post by Westy on May 17, 2016 6:21:30 GMT -8
Trash kind of boggles me. I mean, I get it. People are idiots who don't even think twice about throwing stuff on the ground. But I swear it physically hurts me if I realize I have inadvertently dropped a piece of candy wrapper. I don't think I could ever deliberately chuck a bag of trash out the window, or drop a soda can in the wilderness. Here's proof you don't need to be a hiker to trash the backcountry. I found trapped in snags and rocks several Mother Day's balloons on an off-trail hike of Mill Creek Ridge near Salt Lake last Saturday. The photo depicts part of my carry-out selection. Autumn and Darien...you may love your Mom... but she is not here to pick-up for you.
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Post by Lamebeaver on May 17, 2016 7:25:02 GMT -8
We are killing it but before it dies, I am going out there to enjoy whats left. I think mother nature is a lot more resilient that we give her credit for. A lot of tankers were sunk in WW II. Then there was the Exon Valdez, and the BP disaster in the gulf. Huge disasters? Maybe from our perspective, but on a geological scale, almost insignificant. Global warming may melt the ice caps, disrupt ocean currents and trigger another ice age. Nature tends to balance things out. Yes, we my loose a few species. We may loose hundreds, but this has happened before, and it will happen again, with or without our interference/intervention.
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Post by rebeccad on May 17, 2016 7:35:04 GMT -8
Nature tends to balance things out Whether the final balance includes a habitable planet is another question. Westy balloons are a scourge. I picked on up on day 1 of our 7-day trip last summer and carried it the whole way. Mylar is the worst, but the rubber that people release on purpose is pretty awful too (I think most mylar balloons are escapees. They don't MEAN to let go of the string...!)
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Post by Lamebeaver on May 17, 2016 7:47:10 GMT -8
Whether the final balance includes a habitable planet is another question. Even if we totally annihilate each other with a nuclear war and nuclear winter, the atmosphere would reach equilibrium within a few decades, and the radiation near the detonation sites would decrease to habitable levels after about 20,000 years. This is a mere tick in the geological clock.
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Post by davesenesac on May 17, 2016 8:27:08 GMT -8
How can people do such things? Such does not surprise this person at all.
Of course the people that did this apparently thought they were doing something positive. There have always been numbers of ignorant and misinformed people in our supposedly advanced country. Stupidity and foolishness is nothing new. Some have been poorly educated and many once adults do little to improve their knowledge and understanding in all ways that don't involve their little worlds. Every so often there are news media stories of some reporter asking random people on public streets simple questions like where is Washington DC or who is the vice president or where does the sun come up in the morning only to listen to some wide-eyed person blurting out something hilariously ridiculous.
Ever wonder how during elections on ballot propositions that regardless of how thoroughly one-sided public people and media of all political parties have been against or for some measure how one can be sure that 10% to 15% ov voters will somehow find a way to vote the opposite. As though they cannot read at all or read with normal comprehension and like a person throwing darts at a board fill in their X...completing their civic duty. And then there are those that grew up in a more capable environment but filled their days with comic book science and inane television shows.
As a young man of 18 years I recall how astounded I was of how limited were the minds and knowledge of so many other young men and some of their strange behaviors that were about my in basic training. In the military such trainee groups draw randomly on young men from across the land providing a broad sample of all types. As someone that was apparently only exposed to school years of California suburban middle classes it was incredible to experience others less fortunate that had grown up in inner city ghettos or out in some remote rural areas with primitive schools and media of that era.
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Post by rebeccad on May 17, 2016 8:27:19 GMT -8
Even if we totally annihilate each other with a nuclear war and nuclear winter, the atmosphere would reach equilibrium within a few decades, and the radiation near the detonation sites would decrease to habitable levels after about 20,000 years. This is a mere tick in the geological clock. True. But if we manage to wipe out the whole population, the earth can happily go on without humans. I actually think climate change is a bigger risk to habitability, though that wouldn't likely wipe out all humans. Just make the planet's carrying capacity radically less than now, which could get ugly in a hurry.
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Post by autumnmist on May 17, 2016 14:28:48 GMT -8
What I don't understand is why some attempt wasn't made to consider fostering the calf, although obviously the rangers shouldn't be taking it out to a herd and trying to link it up with another female bison. But I think more could have been done to save the calf instead of euthanizing it. That wouldn't happen to a human baby.
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Post by Deleted on May 17, 2016 15:47:59 GMT -8
More or less, Yellowstone operates on the principle of letting nature take its course. That means that the young of many species are not likely to survive their first winter. Some will die to predators. Some will simply not be strong enough to withstand the forces of nature, including severe winter. Some will be abandoned by their mothers.
Most species that have survived the processes of natural selection produce more offspring than can possibly survive. The species itself relies upon over-production. This calf was euthanized to protect humans from auto collisions with a calf that had been habituated to the road where humans took it out of its natural environment. Yellowstone biologists cannot rescue every young animal that is likely to succumb to natural forces.
The problem here is not the death of a bison calf. It is the interference of humans. To go to extraordinary lengths to save the calf would amount to just more interference. Once those tourists put the calf into their car, they sealed its fate to die young. That was the problem. Human wildlife managers then finished what the tourists made inevitable.
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