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Post by Coolkat on May 12, 2016 9:28:44 GMT -8
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Post by amaruq on May 12, 2016 10:01:40 GMT -8
That's a heavy tent.
Methinks a knowledge of knots could eliminate those heavy straps and ratchets. With some lightweight rap-rings and decent rope, I'm thinking Munter-mules and Gardas would work just dandy.
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Post by Coolkat on May 12, 2016 10:43:31 GMT -8
I'm thinking Munter-mules and Gardas would work just dandy. I'm assuming those are different brands? I wouldn't know anything about these heavy or lightweight. I don't understand the advantage of this.
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Post by almostthere on May 12, 2016 11:33:34 GMT -8
Because trampolines are comfortable?
Yeah, I'll stick with a hammock that's so adjustable I hang it wherever. That will need just the right trees.
No doubt REI will be selling them by the ones...
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Post by grace on May 12, 2016 11:43:30 GMT -8
I don't understand the appeal. It would take my tipsy self one pee break to forget I was in a tree and harm myself. Hammocks I get, but why a tree tent?
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Post by amaruq on May 12, 2016 12:13:36 GMT -8
I'm thinking Munter-mules and Gardas would work just dandy. I'm assuming those are different brands? I wouldn't know anything about these heavy or lightweight. I don't understand the advantage of this. They are knots. Well, hitches. Well, two hitches and a knot. A Munter hitch is a running friction hitch which is typically used to lower heavy items, abseil, or to belay climbers in a pinch. Adding a mule knot 'behind' that ties it off, stopping it from running. A Garda hitch is progress capture (ratcheting) hitch the uses two carabiners or rappel-rings to allow rope to be pulled through in one direction, but not slide back the other. Often used in hoisting or tightening and usually ahead of a Munter-Mule (or similar tension release knot) on the other side of the rings/carabiners. Once you lock tension into the knot, it's not letting go. Ideally, you'd wrap your bearing pads against the trees and tie off your Munter-Mule to a 'biner on one. Then tie Garda hitches into the pairs of 'biners on the other two. Go back to the Munter-Mule and untie the Mule so you can pull the Munter hitch tight, then retie the Mule knot to hold whatever tension you managed. Go to each Garda hitch and pull them incredibly tight to bring the suspension system up to full tension. They won't drop the tension, but you should tie off the dead end anyways. To take it down, go to the Munter-Mule and untie the Mule knot while maintaining a steady grip on the dead end of the rope. Once the Mule knot is undone, the tension will release calmly through the Munter hitch (because it's a friction hitch) so long as you're applying some holding force to the dead end of the rope. With the tension off the Garda hitches, they can be undone. One might even get away with two Munter-Mules and a single Garda, saving the 20g of the extra carabiner/ring. The same knot-ology can also be applied to run-of-the-mill backpacking hammocks. But in those cases I'd probably simply use a Clove hitch at both ends, as they don't require so much pre-tension.
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Post by almostthere on May 12, 2016 12:37:08 GMT -8
I don't use knots on the hammock. Whoopie slings, borrowed from arborist lore, do fine without them. The straps I have clip around the tree and a single clove hitch around a toggle to hang the whoopie on gets the entire job done. I even leave the toggle in place most of the time, re-do them if I have significantly bigger trees to deal with.
The guy lines have fixed loops on both ends, and prussiks to adjust them tight or loose, with the option to have the self tensioners (surgical tubing) to keep the tarp taut, or the other end without the tubing, on the stakes. The tarp gets clipped to a single long line, with loops on prussiks to make them adjustable without tearing the entire setup down. So I can decide to re-center the hammock and the tarp while everything is hung up between the trees. If I used knots I would have to tear it all apart and re-do everything.
Whoopie slings are dead easy to make, as are fixed loops -- you just need hollow core line, with a high tensile strength. You can use Zing it for tarp lines, Amsteel for the hammock slings, polypropylene straps with a sewn loop on one end -- or places like Hammock Gear sell kits. It's hard to visualize all of it but in practice it makes for an effortless hang, so much less work than setting up a tent.
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Post by amaruq on May 12, 2016 13:29:48 GMT -8
It's easy enough to visualize and seems easy enough to set up for typical hammocks. I have a personal distrust of Dyneema in friction applications, however.
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Post by almostthere on May 12, 2016 13:42:06 GMT -8
It's kept my butt in the air for years now. I keep thinking I should get replacements at some time since everything wears out eventually and I've already worn out a tent, but procrastinate.
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Post by franco on May 12, 2016 14:40:21 GMT -8
There was some buzz about them in 2012 when some reports came out then they started to sell in 2013. About once a year someone will put a link to them on a forum. That sorts of tells me how much interest there is on them.
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Post by almostthere on May 12, 2016 14:51:56 GMT -8
Pretty much people do what they are used to doing until it's a problem.
I don't see that contraption solving any problems that I haven't already solved.
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