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Post by Deleted on Apr 22, 2016 21:40:03 GMT -8
Hi All, I've been looking into making my own ultralight backpacking stove - l've seen alot of examples out there - including alcohol stoves and wood burning stoves. I'm leaning towards a wood-burning design since you don't have to carry fuel which would be awesome. Has anyone ever field tested these or know of better examples? Here's a page I found with a few different examples of DIY backpacking alcohol and wood stoves: savagecamper.com/best-diy-ultralight-backpacking-stove/
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Post by dayhiker on Apr 22, 2016 22:27:02 GMT -8
I made this one, much simpler but getting a fire started from the top is a pain, I think he said he even used alchol for a fire starter! Why not just use an allaky stove? jureystudio.com/pennystove/pennywood.htmlNote one of the comments said it isnt really a gasify stove, but the small twigs burn down to nothing at all, and it doesnt take much to get a cup of hot water. I guess some gases are not completely burned off. I bought this one: www.theboilerwerks.com/about/but I don't use either much, I don't cook in summer, and often NP don't allow their use or collection of even sticks, the NFS might allow them but not in some more fragile areas, or high fire danger, but sometimes they are fun to take and make coffee etc.
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Post by rebeccad on Apr 23, 2016 9:00:33 GMT -8
Wood-burning stoves fall under the same bans as campfires. That means that in the Sierra, for example, they are never legal above 9 or 10,000', and often illegal everywhere (during high fire danger). I've been tempted, because of not needing to carry fuel, but that has always stopped me. I have seen duel-fuel stoves, but they are much heavier and bulkier, which would negate the benefits.
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Post by rebeccad on Apr 23, 2016 9:05:49 GMT -8
BTW, I've made a number of simple DIY stoves, but never came close to the efficiency of the White Box stove. I never tried one like the one featured, though--just the simple kind that you can make with virtually no tools (I might experiment again on that one, not that I think I'll do better, just because it's fun to tinker, and it's been a while since I pushed my skills).
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Post by rebeccad on Apr 23, 2016 9:13:36 GMT -8
Dayhiker, I just looked at the penny wood stove--that might not be a bad thing to try building. It's certainly low-tech and light, and might be worth considering, at least for trips when fires will be legal part of the time. I have no problem with long slow meal prep most days; we tend to roll into camp early and take our time.
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Post by almostthere on Apr 24, 2016 8:59:22 GMT -8
Yep, wood stoves in California (not just the Sierra) would be a pretty bad idea, even though we have had a nice winter, because the drought is not over. This is one of those things where location is quite important.
There are wilderness areas in California where fires are never allowed at all, even before there was a drought. In the Ventana when there's serious fire bans, you can't have ANY stoves at all. No cigarettes, no matches, nothing that sparks, no fire whatsoever at all.
In the higher elevations it's about the scarcity of plants -- there are trees in the high alpine that struggle all their lives trying to grow in granite, that take a long time to grow, and people destroy them for a campfire. The stunted pine on Half Dome is long dead and gone because people ignored the permanent fire ban up there. I was so angry at the guy picking live branches off a pine tree at Pear Lake in Sequoia NP, who refused to believe me that a wood stove was the same as a fire, and he needed to stop killing that little tree, that I found a ranger and reported his stupidity. She took care of the issue.
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Post by gabby on Apr 26, 2016 14:58:24 GMT -8
I keep thinking I need to dig into my gear storage and drag out all my old DIY and purchased alcohol stoves, take a picture and post it here. There are probably at least dozens (and maybe a hundred or so) of them, and most of the purchased ones aren't made any longer, since a lot of them are from Tinny (John Austin) @ minibulldesign cult. Tinny just announced that he's "throttling back" on unique designs and won't make any "carbon felt/wick" stoves other than the one he currently has on sale on his website, plus the old "Pepsi can" & the "conventional" BIOS (for "Basic Inside Out Stove") designs he started with some time ago, mostly because of setup/manufacturing costs and lack of customer interest. IOW, he can't make much of a profit on the more complicated designs, and he's lost interest in working on them. I found only 1 picture of an MBD alcohol stove in my online picture storage: this is an MBD M5 remote alcohol stove with a potstand that came with the stove and (somewhat crudely designed) legs that I made for it. The original fuel source was supposed to be a bottle, but I substituted the .5L Platy to make it easier to refuel the stove. Aside: Tinny made "chicken waterer" fuel feeders that worked unattended for baking and simmering tasks, but he's discontinued these as well. I suppose he'd still make one on a custom order, but sales were probably the problem in the first place - too little demand to justify manufacturing costs. From past responses on here, most bpers seem to feel that adding "remote feed" to an alcohol stove is too much complication since the attraction of the stove in the first place is simplicity. I, however, like being able to bake a muffin or do other cooking without having to resort to multiple stoves or "cooling and refilling". With the remote feed, you can boil water for coffee and then fry eggs for breakfast while you sip your coffee. Silly, I guess, but it's what I like...at least sometimes - HYOH.
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Post by gabby on Apr 27, 2016 11:44:25 GMT -8
Continuing with my off-piste attack on this thread on DIY alcohol stoves...with pictures of stoves which are NOT DIY... Another of Tinny's designs that I took out this morning to boil some water for breakfast. This one is a personal favorite, even though I sort of got it by chance. It doesn't have a "model name" because, as Tinny said to me later, it was one of his prototypes that got sent out by mistake. He let me keep it, however. The potstand was designed to perfectly capture a 12cm Imusa aluminum pot (the one in the picture is a 10cm with an MBD lid). The potstand and feet on this stove slide into place in grooves milled into the bottom of the base and store flipped around the stove with the fuel line wrapped around to secure them. Though it may look flimsy, it's very stable. The stove is actually nothing more than an M2SB with legs. The M2SB was another model which Tinny once sold on the MBD website. The "chicken waterer" fuel feeder on the left uses an 8 oz bottle, and is adjustable over a short range. You match the position of the outlet on the feeder to the height you want to maintain in the stove - so you can have a full burn for boiling or frying or the like - or a simmer for baking and other cooking at low heat without having to attend to the stove directly. When your cooking is done, or nearly done, you simply flip the bottle so no more fuel goes to the stove. Like the Optimus and Primus WG stoves, which shut off when you flip the bottle to the "OFF" position, you soon get adept at guessing approximately when to flip the bottle to achieve the desired cooking result. The stove continues to burn until the fuel in the stove and the fuel line is used. Here's a picture of the BRS3000T I just got. It's entirely inappropriate to this thread, but I had it out this morning making other food for breakfast, so... I'm starting to like this little thing after only a few uses. It's really light @ 153 gms, but it has its drawbacks - it's sensitive to wind and a bit delicate (or so I hear): the aluminum threads that attach it to the canister can be easily messed up if you're not careful. I haven't seen any problems so far, but I'm careful when attaching a canister. At $8.53, I think it was a bargain.
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Post by zeke on Apr 27, 2016 13:21:54 GMT -8
While I like the bird feeder idea, what I really do in the field is boil 1 pint of water per day. I have no interest in cooking, only FBC. Therefore, I will stick with the WB and just let it do it's thing for 4-5 minutes.
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